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2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#1  Postby run » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:37 am

ROMPIN: Two Singaporeans drowned during a diving outing in Pantai Air Batang, Tioman, in a series of drowning incident involving foreigners in the popular island.

The victims, aged 35 and 48, were brought to the shore by other divers during the incident at about 12pm on Saturday.

Deputy OCPD Asst Supt Zainul Mujahidin Mat Yudin said cardiopulmonary resuscitation was performed on the victims but they already turned pale and not breathing.

ASP Zainul Mujahidin said the case had been classified as sudden death and their remains had been sent for a post-mortem.

"Initial investigation showed both victims and a woman were in a group diving in the site about 25m from the shores.

"One of them was a diving instructor and the other his student," he said, adding that the woman who spotted the two men in difficulties quickly waved frantically for help.

ASP Zainul Mujahidin said a group of other divers nearby rushed to their assistance and managed to bring them out of the water.

However, both victims were confirmed dead and police were alerted to the scene.

Last month, a couple from Syria lost their eight-year-old in Pulau Salang after the child went for a swim without their knowledge.

Passers-by spotted the remains of Saad Abdul Karim Mohd Altayasinah floating in the water before alerting the authorities.

Police also recovered the remains of two unidentified persons, believed to be foreigners who have drowned, in Kampung Mukut and Pulau Tulai, respectively.

Both victims were decomposed and without any personal documents
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2 ... ioman.aspx

Another report said that they ran out of Air
A diving trip to Pulau Tioman turned tragic last Saturday after the body of a 35-year-old Singaporean man had to be pulled out of the water by his own wife.

Their 48-year-old diving instructor, also a Singaporean, died as well.

Both men are believed to have run out of air in their diving tanks, reported Chinese daily Shin Min.

The couple, the instructor and another woman had reached Tioman, located off the east coast of Pahang, last Friday for a three-day trip

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-ne ... t-20130909


Dive safe everyone and take care of each other. No speculation please. Only exact event are welcome to post.
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#2  Postby kelapa » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:51 am

it is sad to hear that two life were lost..so many questions left in my mind. could it be human error or equipment failure..........my condolences to the families..
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#3  Postby seamoth » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:28 pm

As usual no reliable details available, but I am surprised that this can happen on a shore dive.
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#4  Postby gcg » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:01 pm

These misadventures are occurring too often and it makes one wonder, what have we done to minimize these occurrence as in the long term in will affect both diving and tourism industry.
We need to find out and investigate in depth each incidence and only then we can make necessary changes. I agree that speculations are not good but just reporting events are not going to make any impact either. On the other hand, our society does not really like the idea of probing into a death. Discussions on causes of accidents and deaths should be encouraged to enable the new and younger divers understand the importance and dangers of scuba diving.

I am sure there are more information in regards to each incident but are not revealed as we don't want to hurt the bereaved family but in doing so we are closing our eyes to possible repetitive incidents and outcomes. Death from scuba can happen at any point from the time you sign the release of responsibility form to the time you reach home. Telling divers to be alert and safe is good but those without much experience would not really know what hit them till it is too late.

My condolences to the families of those who died.
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#5  Postby mamakpenang » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:59 pm

My Condolences....RIP
it is weird, because i remember when i 1st start Open Water, i really depend on my Instructor and DM to guide me, and i feel save when they around......really save coz i have
someone to rely on......
this incident is a reminder for all of us, (wake up call maybe) to check and test our gears and dive safe........
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Post Number:#6  Postby nightc » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:23 pm

Don't be stingy and always use tank with full air on each new dive.
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#7  Postby oldturtle » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:25 pm

Condolence ,respect the family ?????..etc..etc.Pls just tell the truth what happen....maybe more life will be saved !
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#8  Postby run » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:33 am

some infos from scubaboard
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/accide ... ioman.html

Signup for scuba diving is because you want too, not because you have too.
If no choice you have too, then learn to swim and have fun with the open water. That way it can reduce your
fear of water a little bit.
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#9  Postby gcg » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:10 pm

Hmmm..... after reading what was written on scubaboard.com, it concludes:

1. the information in regards to incidents that occur can be obtained but is never shared or more correctly seldom shared -- why? In this case, if discussed well, will highlight the issues of costings, freelance instructors and the importance of dealing with new divers and roles and responsibilities of dive centers and instructors.

2. The only problem with the newbies were that they just wanted to learn how to dive and somebody offered them a cheap package, i suspect. How would they be able to know if the instructor was reliable or not, whether they were heading into trouble or not? They were newbies and relied completely on their instructor. So they signed up because they wanted to learn to dive and had the means to do it as it was cheap. Anybody can panic in water, even an experience swimmer. Given a new environment with no walls to form a bearing, the open sea can be intimidating. Well from what seem to happened, even the instructor failed to recognize the situation early and panic ... ? experience

3. There are many divers who nowadays want to become instructors superfast that they forget teaching a practical subject such as diving involves experience and experience can only be attained after having done many dives at every level. This attitude has transcended to students who now try to jump from basic to advance without even being able to dive comfortably and before you know it they are DMs and Instructors. Every dive brings about a new experience as one learns to deal with oneself, the group of divers one is diving with and the nature. Divers also forget that the moment you get your Rescue Diver license and all levels above it, it also means that you have a responsibility to those who dive with you and not just yourself. If you cannot bear that responsibility then dont go beyond Advance OW.

4. Dive centers that rent tanks, have to be more strict with divers. Check their cards and dive records. Question any weird behaviour or practices and offer advice. The end of the day the onus is upon the diver to practice safe diving. But what about students who depend on their instructors to do the renting and have no idea what is safe apart of what is being told to them?

5. at the end of the day, the problem is money.. everybody wants to make money, customers want things cheap, dive centers need customers to rent and instructors need to give good packages to make it attractive. So when corners are cut, problems occurs and what we dont see is the long term effect of such disastrous affair with money........ diving becomes unsafe and dangerous and the industry slowly but surely rots.......We all play a role in making sure the industry survive and is safe. We divers should insist on good practices and report bad ones. We should at the same time as customers not pressure those who supply the industry with ridiculous bargains. We should accept an acceptable package. The suppliers then should make sure the money spent is worth its every penny in terms of efficiency of service and quality of equipments and safety of the sports.
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#10  Postby run » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:09 pm

gcg u have good points and comments. Maybe one day we can reach good std and practice within our diving society.
for sure this will take time.

There are a few things that divers should be aware. Why people choose to dive in the first place? Because of you want too? or because you have too?
Why do you want to signup to something that cause you death that easy. Having to go down to 18m underwater with only a tank to supply you air to
breath? Is it worth it to guarantee your own life for a glimpse of corals and fishes? If a titanic can sink, just imagine a tiny human being.
by right once you sign up for OW , you already know what you will be heading for. Finally when the certification card is in your grasp, you are acknowledge
as a diver that has been trained by a professional. You are responsible for your own life. Not your buddy , not your rescue diver or anyone higher level than you.
Those people can only advise you, can only suggest you, can only give option for you.

The info on this case is still too little. A panic diver can over power any person even a well trained instructor. We cant surely assume negative points. What if the instructor have good judgement during that time. He already know the capabilities of each students. Something might have triggered the student to be panic. Even a prick from a sea urchin could have
caused it. Only the lady diver that survived knew what happened.
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Post Number:#11  Postby kayancdh » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:23 am

Run, very well said. Totally agree with you!
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#12  Postby oldturtle » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:52 am

As usual everytime in a scuba accident happens in this region . no nobody will get to know the truth . It is alway you will get some smart-alec posting a whole bunch of text book on safety of diving. Pathetic isnt it ? Wonder whats the purpose for this topic at all. If its to post news we can all read it in the papers . ..
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#13  Postby run » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:40 pm

ya oldturtle it is really a pathetic post. You are welcome to skip from reading this thread.
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Post Number:#14  Postby mamakpenang » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:49 pm

my take will be different......
it is a friendly reminder / wake up call that accidents can happen to anyone even an instructor or DM, the one that should be able to help us in a case of emergency.
we tend to forget to check our gears before we jump in to the water, especially during LOB where the boatman will refill our tank or change our tank & when the time come for a dive, we simply put on the BCD & Regulator and jump into the blue with confidence, without checking the gauge, testing the regulator, smell the air that we gonna breath......etc
i have a trip on 20-24 September, Semporna mass dive III, i will check my gears / regulator etc, go to the pool for a dive, test the BCD, inflate, deflate.....or else bring a tank back home to test the regulator.....
i believe we can learn 1 or 2 things from this misadventure....... :grin:
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Post Number:#15  Postby oldturtle » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:18 pm

hi run.it is very important that forum encourage one another to share the truth.whether how ugly it is.so we can learn. pls leave your insecurity or ego aside.you are not the focus here.it been too many times the 'truth'are not share. what's the point of having a forum.?
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#16  Postby run » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:49 pm

oldturtle if i really know the real story and see it for myself, i'll share.
What i heard is the same as what had been reported. They used the same tank.
So if u guys have other truth that you guys have heard from others, then all up to u guys whether you want to believe it or wants to learn from it.
oldturtle , i noticed that you always leave remark whenver i open certain topic.
Some of your remark are even sarcastic towards me.
I dont know how my posting have offended you in anyway. I really hope those sarcasam dont end in a bad way.
Nothing in this forum i posted as if i want to show "i am a bright person". Just want to help out divers. Is that bad?
Some people see a glass if half full and certain sees it as half empty i guess.
things which i can help, i try to help. If i cant then i try referring to others than i know can give better information.
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Re: 2 singaporean divers drowned in Tioman

Post Number:#17  Postby oldturtle » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:31 am

you are right run.solly .guess i am super frustrated .
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Post Number:#18  Postby rushd4n » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:48 am

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