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Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:12 am
by run
ok...ok..this is suppose to be discussion Not declare war. All the little boys wanna to fight, please outside the thread. Old people like me just want to see some discussion. Informative discussion. Also no pointing fingers. Whos fault. This fault? What fault??
Under the sea. Anything can happen most of the season divers know sometime things just cant happen like you predicted.
we make mistake, we correct it.
if my posting have offended any religions, cultures or nationalites , then forgive me.

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:13 am
by decimal86
we have to point fingers....!!

we must admit a mistake has been made, equipment, procedures, language, handsigns?? or else how to learn from our mistakes? operative word here--mistake?

if not looking for fault, then where is the mistake?

inexperience then panic is something we can learn also. i am in an industry that unfortunately learn from ppl mistakes and then we make it a policy to never let it happen again or at least reduce the conditions that contribute to that accident.

if we never point fingers, my friends, i can assure you it will happen again. and again.

about the flame war, i don't know.

but from experience, i have never ever positively absolutely irrevocably regardless of anything, been left alone by my DM/guide anywhere in strong current. never! infact in Sipadan (SWV) the guide swam up and down to make sure each and everyone of us was tethered to a rock and waited for the barracuda to come. he must have checked on us 2-3 times i have pictures to prove.

in puerto galera, they held my wife's hand and led her to the mooring line to make sure she and the rest of us did our safety stop safely. 

this is not saying anything about this particular incident, but just relating my experience.

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:24 am
by Daylight
decimal86 wrote:we have to point fingers....!!

we must admit a mistake has been made, equipment, procedures, language, handsigns?? or else how to learn from our mistakes? operative word here--mistake?

if not looking for fault, then where is the mistake?

inexperience then panic is something we can learn also. i am in an industry that unfortunately learn from ppl mistakes and then we make it a policy to never let it happen again or at least reduce the conditions that contribute to that accident.

if we never point fingers, my friends, i can assure you it will happen again. and again.

about the flame war, i don't know.

but from experience, i have never ever positively absolutely irrevocably regardless of anything, been left alone by my DM/guide anywhere in strong current. never! infact in Sipadan (SWV) the guide swam up and down to make sure each and everyone of us was tethered to a rock and waited for the barracuda to come. he must have checked on us 2-3 times i have pictures to prove.

in puerto galera, they held my wife's hand and led her to the mooring line to make sure she and the rest of us did our safety stop safely. 

this is not saying anything about this particular incident, but just relating my experience.


totally agree. we point out the problem to know the problem and knowing the problem is half way to resolving it.

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:11 pm
by allenwoo
I agree totally. If this forum is not a place to discuss mistakes made then I dunno where. To discuss it outside unmoderated is even worse... that's gossip. If the DM is wrong he is wrong. period. Learn and move on. As painful as it is, a DM is a professional in the certifying agency eyes, it's time to up your game.

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:44 pm
by nanda666
Looking at all the comments and swipes made...hmmm....what is happening to divers nowadays???
Don't you guys have dive plans anymore?? what to do if current is strong? Don't you carry surface markers so boats can spot you? Don't you have whistles attached to your BCD?
Divers do drift in unexpected current. Divers do get separated from DMs. Divers do get separated from their buddies. FACT.

IF A DIVE HAS DIVERTED FROM YOUR PLANNED DIVE.....END THE DIVE!!!!

The reefS and dive siteS have been there for a million years....it'll be there the next time you visit!!

IF A DIVE HAS EXCEEDED YOUR DIVING CAPABILITY (WRECK/CAVE/DEEP/LOW VIZ/STRONG CURRENT/COLD).....END THE DIVE!!!

It's not what nationality you are, how "cool" you are or how "high tech" your gear is......WE ARE RECREATIONAL SCUBA DIVERS......key word RECREATIONAL!!!

There is no fun in getting hurt on a dive or see someone else on your dive trip get hurt....I'm sure there was no fun party that night in Salang, right?

So to all divers, have fun diving but pls dive safe.

SCUBA Diving is an activity that can kill you. FACT!

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:15 pm
by run
nanda666 in PADI how many students can an instructor have without the aid of a DM? If i am not mistaken max is 8 students right? More than that it is require for the instructor to have a DM assist during the training. Does it apply the same for deep dive course?

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:18 pm
by oldturtle
In Malaysia and Singapore ,is there any lawsuit between DC & Divers.?

It is bad for the Industry as well as the paying divers as there is no serious party owing up to thier mistakes be it DC or Divers themselves. eg. a diver can endanger  his or her buddies 's life too or even the DM too. Not necessary always the fault of the DC.

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:00 pm
by gavstang
Scary..to be honest safety standards need to be tightened.  Ultimately, as recreational divers we just want to have some fun in as safe an environment as possible.

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:18 pm
by nanda666
run wrote:nanda666 in PADI how many students can an instructor have without the aid of a DM? If i am not mistaken max is 8 students right? More than that it is require for the instructor to have a DM assist during the training. Does it apply the same for deep dive course?


From PADI Instructor manual:
During the Deep Dive, you must be in the water directly supervising the diving
activities. You may accompany a maximum of eight student divers (8:1) and
can not increase this ratio with the use of certified assistants.


As an instructor, you want to be able to see your students at all times. If you can line them up and see all 8 in good viz, no current..fine. If you can't see them due to poor viz, you'll keep them close.
I just certified 10 OW divers. Did their OW in 3 groups of 3, 3 and 4. Why? It's cold, poor viz and I want them to have a good experience rather that getting lost, scared, etc.
It surely cost the Instructor more...I used 3 weekends, drives and time spent but hey....if that's what it takes to do a job well...then that's how you do it. (Or that is how I work!!)

The Dive certification body cannot police each and every individual instructor/DM.

So all instructors/DMs, pls train all you divers to be safe as a priority. Safety items such as surface markers, whistles are essential. Do get your students to have them, know how to safely deploy them and frequently use them.

Divers have to also put in some effort to learn additional safety skills, safety tips, safety equipment use, etc.

It's not all about UW photography, best dive sites or cheapest dive rates.

This story could have been a very sad story if the weather got rough or if the search was discountinued.
So pls don't take it lightly. To blame or find the fault is fine but it's better to equip yourselves so it never happens to you or your fellow divers around you.

I think we all should learn from this story (Since it luckily had a happy ending) to improve safety of our dives.....

RUN - safe diving topic soon???? ;) 

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:26 pm
by Daylight
nanda666 wrote:
run wrote:nanda666 in PADI how many students can an instructor have without the aid of a DM? If i am not mistaken max is 8 students right? More than that it is require for the instructor to have a DM assist during the training. Does it apply the same for deep dive course?


From PADI Instructor manual:
During the Deep Dive, you must be in the water directly supervising the diving
activities. You may accompany a maximum of eight student divers (8:1) and
can not increase this ratio with the use of certified assistants.


As an instructor, you want to be able to see your students at all times. If you can line them up and see all 8 in good viz, no current..fine. If you can't see them due to poor viz, you'll keep them close.
I just certified 10 OW divers. Did their OW in 3 groups of 3, 3 and 4. Why? It's cold, poor viz and I want them to have a good experience rather that getting lost, scared, etc.
It surely cost the Instructor more...I used 3 weekends, drives and time spent but hey....if that's what it takes to do a job well...then that's how you do it. (Or that is how I work!!)

The Dive certification body cannot police each and every individual instructor/DM.

So all instructors/DMs, pls train all you divers to be safe as a priority. Safety items such as surface markers, whistles are essential. Do get your students to have them, know how to safely deploy them and frequently use them.

Divers have to also put in some effort to learn additional safety skills, safety tips, safety equipment use, etc.

It's not all about UW photography, best dive sites or cheapest dive rates.

This story could have been a very sad story if the weather got rough or if the search was discountinued.
So pls don't take it lightly. To blame or find the fault is fine but it's better to equip yourselves so it never happens to you or your fellow divers around you.

I think we all should learn from this story (Since it luckily had a happy ending) to improve safety of our dives.....

RUN - safe diving topic soon???? ;) 


we need more DM like u bro.. great job and keep it up :D

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:45 pm
by run
daylight , nanda666 is an instructor lar and in Perth Australia some more.

Nanda666 thanx for the info. So would it be right if in this case the DM after searching them but unable to trace them , leave the students with the instructor and heads back to the boat? in your opinion? Bear in mind 1 instructor, 1 DM and 5 deep dive students.
If the answer is no , could you please explain in simplest answer.

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:52 pm
by mamakpenang
nanda666 nice one....couldn't agree more......
actually we can only make assumptions based on second hand reports....... :D
none of the divers involved come forward & give their first hand view/review on this incident, not yet.....
but again i believe we can learn one or two thing from this incident....
whats matter most is they survived the ordeal, safe and sound, based on the second hand reports and newspaper news, there are 5 divers with 1 instructor & the way they handle the situation is quite good, all divers stay & float together and survived.
we should check our safety gears ie safety sousage, reel.....maybe we can add dive alert air horn & blinking beacon, just in case...... B-)
if i remember correctly, when we do deep dive 30-40 meters, we should not get deco? we must dive within the deco limit, or is it different now, we can go for 40 meters and get deco & do the deco stop?......with spare tank, maybe nitrox gas for deco at certain depth......care to explain...... :D

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:58 pm
by tim
The DM/Instructor may not be totally at fault.

Whether or not there was negligence, you must take into account that the Tioman currents were unusually strong that weekend.

I was there and I testify that everywhere was stronger than usual and the viz was 5m at most.

I can sympathise with a DM or Instructor trying to keep a group of 6 together in those kind of conditions.

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:04 pm
by kimseng the maverick rogue
People just love assuming and using their imaginations.
If the just focus on the actual matter, people who read this thread would gain something. Instead of having to go through all the unnecessary chatter and noise.

I agree with nanda. Its all down to decisions.
Can the instructor say no when you say you want to go up?

Cold? Abort the dive.
Strong current? Abort the dive.
Bad vis and getting creepy? Abort the dive.
Lost? Abort the dive.

My personal view on this is the divers are at fault. Abort the dive and at most you pay for another dive, not with your life!
Nobody CAN force ANYONE to stay down when conditions are not good.

Humans are not meant to live in the water.... Period!
We are just visitors and scuba made it easier for everyone to visit. But when we forget that we don't belong there and become complacent, we are courting danger.

Also to add, why don't people carry DSMB's any more these days? For those who do not know what DSMB is, ask for a safety sausage. I've seen so many people surfacing without first deploying a DSMB. 
Its so cheap and would make so much of a difference in situations which you get drifted away from your boat. Also its useful to divert boat traffic from your surfacing zone.

So do yourself a favour by getting one, or two. MIDE is so near, do so before your next dive trip

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:26 am
by projekts
We cannot fault the divers totally in this aspect too. If the operator are willing to compromise a bit (pay less or move to another dive site), it would be easier for the divers to abort the dives. right?
And yes, the guide/instructor has all the right to abort the dive, but the question is what's next?
Back to mainland and charge the divers for a dive each, or bring them to somewhere that has friendlier condition?
Many operators will be happier to go back and charge the aborted dive as a dive.
I had aborted quite a number of dives for various reasons, but instead of bring them to the boat and considered that a dive, I will bring them to another site and continue diving there with the same tank. Will cost a little bit more on fuel, and more time consuming, but in the end, we have a boat of happy and safe customers.
The instructor and DM are the guides, whom the divers paid for their service, which include, to a minimal extend, ensuring their safety when they are underwater. They are supposed to be trained and familiar with the area in order to be able to guide there. In this case, if the vis is not as good and current expected, even on the surface, it will be just as easy as telling the boat crews to watch out for the bubbles of the divers before they decent, or he can just inflate a SMB and dive with an inflated SMB while diving in the current, which i assume non of these had been done.
And how many times had you guys seen the boat crews happily tying the boat to a buoyline or anchor it nicely and off to nap in the rocking motion of the sea? Some boat crews even refused to steer the boat to pick up the divers after they surfaced and expect everyone to swim to the boat, whether it's nice calm sea or 3m waves on the surface.
So, whose fault is it? Instructor, DM, divers, boat crews or dive operator who did not train the crews properly?
At least I am glad that no one is hurt during this ordeal, and hopefully it serves as a valuable lesson for everyone.

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:21 am
by run
ok now we are getting some where --> the discussion part which i said earlier.
Do you guys really think that the instructor didn't brought with him a DSMB while he was having students? Really??
They did check out dive if i am not mistaken (base on the time line)
Im sure the DM and instructor are those familiar with the surrounding , if not familiar but at least they do have experience with orientation and navigation.
Because i dont think that they are so stupid.
I can only assume (yes only assume) that something happen at the moment the DM lost the group.
They went to the other way while the DM still ascending. Maybe the instructor had signal to the DM
but due to poor visibility the DM didn't saw it. Caught in a sudden current .They were brought to the open sea. Make a safety stop while on current and
once surface too far to see or signal the boat.
The DM thinking since there was no current so he informed to search around the island. (perhaps) and then the search crew get bigger .
They search area becomes wider but the divers was already too far.
This was not the only incident divers floated away in tioman. back 2 years ago 1 local diver was also drifted by the current and saved by the fisherman's boat but it was never reported in the news. heard this story during TT session among divers.

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:45 am
by toodus
Let's hope the Singaporeans don't blame our country's maritime or search and rescue or coordination because they always do that when they come to our country.....

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:01 am
by run
Divers do read this link
http://www.dailyscubadiving.com/diver-responsibility/

my favourite paragraph

"The cave community has rule that any diver can end a dive at any time with no explanation given.  Once the signal is given the dive is over.  Period.  End of discussion.  Too bad this is not passed on in many OW classes.  Peer pressure, money, wishing to not look bad, all seem to take the place of intelligence and common sense.  Divers seem to not realize how a new environment or type of dive can change things.  It has not been adequately instilled in them that this is serious business and not as easy as many of us make it appear.  Years of training and experience have taught us that nothing should be taken for granted.  Experienced divers know that no matter how many dives they have done, how many times they have been to the same site, or how many times they have made it home safe, there is always that one time where a small error in judgment, lack of attention to a particular detail, or a change in conditions may result in them being seriously injured or killed."

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:03 am
by Malxn
Sometimes the dive guide you expect to be a DM... It's not really a DM !!! Only an OW diver with more than 100-200 log dives experience.... This happens to me once... !! The guy told me after 2 dives .. No wonder safety was not his priority. So maybe nextime we need to check for DM card also before diving...

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:30 am
by mamakpenang
toodus wrote:Let's hope the Singaporeans don't blame our country's maritime or search and rescue or coordination because they always do that when they come to our country.....




haha......the diver rescued thanks the coast guard & tugboat.......
read it here bro.......but i read somewhere, maritime should should search bigger area & why no helicopters........ :D

http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120625-355076.html

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:18 pm
by Sen
After reading everyone comments about this incident, most of us are more interested in knowing how to avoid unpleasant things happen during our dive trip, I’m totally agreed with it, but if we based on the current info, I can said is all speculations nobody know exactly what had happed during the dive, even it does, can we control the situation?

I was in Chebeh on the 22 June 1230pm, with OWD students 4 of us doing leisure dive.  I can feel or imagine how this incident would happen. Here are rough descriptions on the UW condition n’ the site.
For the whole month in Tioman water temperature is around 24-25c, + thermocline everywhere, last month was 27c, it drop 2-3c in a month, visibility was good only in the morning before 12pm 10-15m, after noon maybe 5-10m, mild current – strong, manageable for OWD student to swim in the current.  In Chebeh site, usually we planned our dive max depth at 15m, bottom time 40min, reef on right or left depend on the current direction, basically descending with buoy line is a routine skill in Chebeh. Mild-strong current during descending was expected, so everyone hold on to something while waiting for the current to pass. Thermocline was detected everywhere, left right up down, no way to run. The site run from 12m-36m down slope, down current will be expected at the slope area around 25m, mostly are sandy bottom, once reach at that area, you will be facing 2 current from open sea.

As a dive leader, would you bring your divers to this site? Yes you would, would you bring your student to this site? Yes I would depend on the current, but not in a big group (more than 4).  All “YES”, provided you know this site from top to bottom right to left, so you know where to hide the current or a safe area to conduct courses or amusing your  guests.

Question 1, who is the in charge person on boat? Boat captain, of cause, without his instructions, nobody jump into the water that’s the rule of thumb.  A good boatman will know when the tide or current changes n’ he will follow divers wherever they go. Questions 2, who is in charge UW? The dive leader, his/her instructions UW are important, listen n’ follow. Don’t trust your instinct it is wrong all the time, if everyone trusted their instinct UW, how would the leader control the group? But if this happened which mean the leader is no good, he/she doesn’t make diver feel confidant at the first place. But sometime is not the leader fault, some diver may have some attitude UW, then as a responsible leader, dive abort.

Dive leader was trained to control group during dive or conducting course, this is to minimize risks n’ preventing them to happen, if some divers r unable to descend leader ve to swim up n’ assist him/her down, if there r 4 at that time he will ve to swim up n’ down just to make sure everyone is safe. If someone drifts out form the planned route, he/she has to swim out n’ guide them back to the track. Dive leaders are trained to handle critical or emergency situation. This is one of their responsibilities.
Reviewing in the case, the dive leader has make the decision to dive there which he thought is the right time to go, so we ve to respect his decision without objections. (objections come when the site has nothing to see. ;) )

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:20 pm
by Sen
As a certified diver, what are our responsibilities? We must dive safe, plan our dive, dive with our plan, etc……there are so much so named” TAG LINE……” did we really do the plan our self or did we discuss with the leader? At least we ask during briefing, during briefing ask questions don’t feel shame, key questions, Direction (heading), will the boat follow us? Depth at each turning, average depth.  Average depth means, this is the depth we will play around (spend most the dive time), if u ve lost in the group, with the info during the briefing, definitely will help. Never skip the briefing….
Doubts???!!!!  Nowadays, how many AOWD has the real skills as it stated in their C-Card?  Has it reach the level of AOWD? How good is their risk awareness? I often see diver enroll directly to AOWD after completing OWD, n’ the instructor accepted the offer, I wonder, where are the mutual understanding in instructor and student responsibilities? Would this student really consider as a AOWD after completing the course?  Qualifications are more important than practical skills? Ask our self before we decided to enroll in scuba diving, what do expect in UW world what do we want? Were we deeply admire the UW world? Wanted to explore it? Want to know more about it?  Why we enroll at the first place? Ask ourselves…. now scuba diving getting more popular, more divers were produced n trained. But are they competitive enough to be AOWD? We all should have the answer in ourselves!!
Conclusion, we must be a responsible diver n’ always aware of the surrounding changes, most importantly, DIVE SAFE!! ;)

my sincere comment. ;)

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:40 pm
by oldturtle
Sadly in this part of the World . Consumer Protection is very much just pass the infant stage only.

Diving Industries is a profit making industries . I have not meet a Charitable DC yet.

Paying divers in trouble .? They (DC ,DI or DM ) better get the as# to be sued if in deveopled countries. But sadly ,blaming client and mother nature is still top of the list our part of the World.

I hope those 'missing' divers will sue and test our law to see how works here.

:D

 

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:25 pm
by mamakpenang
sen,
you are right bro.....couldn't agreed more..... :D
speculation......yes it is.
incident happened, no doubt, lets study & know exactly what is really happened, so we can improved/improvised. learn one or two thing from this incident.
thank your for sharing..... :D

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:49 pm
by gavstang
As a newbie diver, Im following this thread wiht great interest.  There are many things I have yet to face whilst diving but am mindful of the need to arm yourself with both the knowledge and practical skills needed to ensure a safe dive.  I remember how nervous I was on my first open water dive eventhough weather conditions were good.  Needless to say I was quite scared when the next dive I went on was characterised by big swells, strong winds, overcast clouds and the boatman telling us how unusually strong the waves were and that the current was quite strong too.  ( This was in Tenggol) We had to do a negative entry and althouygh my instructor had told me before how to do so, I was uncertain of the steps.  However, being too shy to reveal my ignorance I stupidly kept my mouth shut instead of asking for instruction on how to perform the entry.  My heart was pounding badly and when I back rowed in, I stupidly inverted myself and tried to descent feet first.  I was caught by tidal current and despite my hardest efforts I couldnt manage to descend...A rising sense of panic came over me as I saw the rest of my group fade into the depths (viz was not good maybe 5-10m).  Imagine my fear as I was stuck above and only saw the vanishing fins descending.  I persisted in trying to descend for the next 2-3 mins, but finally gave up as I realised even if I got down I may not be able to find my group.  I quickly waved to the boatman who thankfully was not too far away and sat out the dive.  I later learned how to properly do a negative entry!

This taught me quite a number of things..

1.  If in douobt..ASK.  Dont let pride be your downfall
2.  Be competent or more than competent in all your basic skills
3.  Abort the dive where you are not feeling good abt it

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:01 pm
by nanda666
Guys..long long ago...I posted some threads on safety with mix responses from the dive community....Is diving becoming too easy, Conservative diving,  No Fly time, Actual Low on air.
I'm sure you can search and find those threads.....do have a read and if you have any questions....do ask....and do enjoy the colorful "battles" too.... :P

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:03 pm
by run
nanda666 everyone has their own opinion and style. Some just have that extra EMO when replying to Q&A session :). Anyhow it is still a good thing to read about.
to all that have posted their comments in this thread. Thank you for joining in.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:12 pm
by Daylight
i strongly believe the more people read and post in this thread, the awareness of safety during dives will be instilled within divers.

to be honest i never thought safety was such a priority until i went through this thread few days ago. its astonishing how important is following instructions is and the heavy penalty to pay when accidents occur. worse part is the people involved who has to bare the consequence of a misconduct.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:02 pm
by oldturtle
You are wrong DL! DC ,DI & DM are paid. if you are not happy speak your mind .of course ,unless you also knew deep inside you are actually are kopi -o certified OW or others. Some DI, i personally knew cant understand the dive table..phew ....#$@% :D

Re: Found - six scuba divers who went missing off Pulau Tioman - Malaysia Star

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:08 pm
by run
i come across this link about how an instructor lost one of his student during his course.
he also read about the 6 missing divers in the news online.
soon to be divers :) better read this cause i tell ya the reason the student gone missing..i just dont know what to say.
http://www.empowernetwork.com/kevindrewlo/blog/missing-scuba-divers-reportedly-picked-up-by-tugboat/