MalaysianUnderwater.com (MUW) • View topic - Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#61  Postby Mephisto the Heretic » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:34 pm

Yeah. make you wonder are they under manned, under funded or plain malas(lazy(  or incompetent.
BE FAITHFUL! BE STRONG! BE VIGILANT!
'...a mind without purpose will walk in dark places.' -The Spheres of Longing, II. ix. 31.
User avatar
Mephisto the Heretic
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
 
Posts: 1036
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:38 pm
Location: Kuala lumpur
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#62  Postby Scuba Dynamics » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:46 pm

Personally I believe that the "tidak apa" attitude came in as they could not be bothered with the follow up procedures and afterall, "he wasn't a Malaysian" mind set.
**Dive Anytime, Anywhere**
Scuba Dynamics
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
 
Posts: 859
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:59 pm
Location: 32-2, Jalan 27/70A, Desa Sri Hartamas, 50480 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#63  Postby reen » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:56 pm

Scuba Dynamics wrote:Personally I believe that the "tidak apa" attitude came in as they could not be bothered with the follow up procedures and afterall, "he wasn't a Malaysian" mind set.


aaaahh i disagree on "he wasn't a Malaysian"...ow come when it comes to japanese or british or non-malaysian gone missing everyone like -->"must find them..dont go home ..must find them"

i think the media is the best medium....we ought to get a reporter as a diver best fren

or else..perhaps our marine rescuer are not trained enuf like kevin costner in the guardian?? ok i know movie
is too good to be true..


our rescuer are all perhaps jungle trekking pros, hiking pros, flood pros but not sea choppy 3m waves pros..
reen
 

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#64  Postby Scuba Dynamics » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:09 pm

Agreed. The media, MASS MEDIA will be an excellent start to this but look at what happened to the Tioman Ferry incident???? In the newspapers, on TV, in the international media but now.... conveniently forgotten. The only beneficiary to that effort was some individual who bought lots of the papers from that day to say " Look Ma, I am in the newspapers. Me good looking hero kan??)

Ask around and see how many diving accidents have happened in Malaysia and how many of these actually got to court and past the "talk only stage"???

Perhaps MUW can start the ball rolling and I am sure there will be many of us who will gladly support this.
**Dive Anytime, Anywhere**
Scuba Dynamics
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
 
Posts: 859
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:59 pm
Location: 32-2, Jalan 27/70A, Desa Sri Hartamas, 50480 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#65  Postby John F SeaDemon » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:23 pm

Scuba Dynamics wrote:GET REAL guys & gals, the poor kid bled out and passed away. A quick evacuation to hospital and an emergency blood infusion might have saved him. Not 02, not AED's but if the dammed marine police had some humanity or sense of pride in being that, Marine Police in them, they could have used one their many vessels suitable for this.

I am starting to get the impression that our waters are left wide open every time there is a bit of wind and slight chop..or perhaps the cops were busy with other things, being a Saturday night and all that, not to mention a scramble of a chopper from Kuantan or Kluang air base and no, reen, although it is nice to have a helicopter landing pad for this,there ARE other methods of lifting a person from the surface to a hovering heli.


It is not the job of the Marine Police to do medevacs and judging by the type of vessel deployed at the islands (usually the PA-class) they do not go out at night or in stormy waters unnecessarily.  Even the Navy lost one of its Vosper PC in 1983 in stormy seas with all hands lost and that is a lot bigger than the PA-class.  They have maritime radar to do the monitoring and will only go out when alerted.  It is still the duty of the local govt clinic to get the victim evacuated.  Failing which, they can call for the Coast Guard to assist, or the Air Force.  The nearest Air Force base is in Kuantan.  The Kluang one is home to the Army Aviation Corps, and they do not do medevacs.

Again, the question, after so many accidents at the jetty, why are people still diving there?
-If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying-
John F SeaDemon
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 5478
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:46 pm
Location: Underwater
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#66  Postby Scuba Dynamics » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:42 pm

I agree that it is not the job of the Marine Police to do medivacs but in this case, a case of humanity??

I wasn't there so don't know the sea state at that time but surely even a PA class vessel could have managed the journey as (I hope) they are more seaworthy then the Blue Water Ferries.

Marine radar to monitor? Great! Somebody sees something on his screen, hits the scramble button and the Bosun then wakes the crew up from their bliss and off they go. By that time, what will still be lurking around?? This is just like the RMN vessel that is tied up alongside the SWV jetty more than she is "on routine" patrol and her A Gun is a very convenient drying line for the crew's clothes.

Kluang? Sorry, during my time it was one of the RMAF's Heli FTS after Kinrara then Sempang but then again, at that time, Gong Kedak was just a short strip where I practised my STOL procedures & route checks - guess I am outdated and an Uncle afterall :D

I wonder if His Highness, the Sultan of Pahang, knows about this incident and his reaction would be or is IF he knew???
**Dive Anytime, Anywhere**
Scuba Dynamics
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
 
Posts: 859
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:59 pm
Location: 32-2, Jalan 27/70A, Desa Sri Hartamas, 50480 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#67  Postby Nizaha » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:31 pm

Why they spent more money(our money) to buy high class patrol hydraulic boat if can't go out during the storm?

  So what the marine police actually do??? just escort royal and do drug busted in the island!! that funny!!

I know Dilah (Captain Bali Hai) will drive the PA anytimes during the strom. I'm pretty sure he'll really happy to do that.  :icon_salut: :icon_salut: :icon_salut:

Safe diving
Zaha
Equipment can go to those depths, but your body might not be able to..
Nizaha
Master Scuba Diver
Master Scuba Diver
 
Posts: 964
Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:00 pm
Location: lake Dore,Ontario, Canada
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#68  Postby Scuba Dynamics » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:20 pm

What to do bro?? They have other priorities like looking after their own pockets, buying new cars every year and do as little as possible while making as much as they can before they retire..then buka teh tarik & nasi lemak stall :angry4: :angry4: MALAYSIA BOLIH!!
**Dive Anytime, Anywhere**
Scuba Dynamics
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
 
Posts: 859
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:59 pm
Location: 32-2, Jalan 27/70A, Desa Sri Hartamas, 50480 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#69  Postby blackbear » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:47 am

again.. what are WE gona do about it people?
there's heaven.. and there is diving..
User avatar
blackbear
Advanced Diver
Advanced Diver
 
Posts: 268
Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:35 pm
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#70  Postby Snafu » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:04 am

My solution....Lets be a thinking diver.

If you cant change the system as it involves a lot of people, change yourself first be a smart & safe diver.

If you know the jetty is not safe as diving boats & transfer boats are constantly going in & out... DON'T DIVE THERE... period.

Before you go for a diving trip, make sure the dive operator/dive organizer have an emergency evacuation plan & accident management...if they dont, take your money elsewhere...... but would you do this? that is a question that you should question yourself....

At the mean time if anybody like to do a talk about diving safety during MIDE 2008...you are welcome to do so, please inform any MUW Moderator.

Diving has been around longer then MUW so what is the contribution from divers when comes to safety....plenty of divers, diving professionals, diving organization, dive shops & dive operators..they have made their money but what have they contributed to educate this issue?

A life is loss, it will happen again & again ......... like how we would always say - if only something is being done then this wouldnt have happened... ..why dont we start with our own self? Promote safe diving and follow safety procedures..Make it a good habit...

OR do we need the government agency to hold our hand & making sure we dive safely? If YES... volunteers urgently needed for the post.

:D
Some people are only ALIVE because it's against the law to KILL them...really!!!
Snafu
Administrator
Administrator
 
Posts: 2322
Joined: Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: I don't know
Gender: Male

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#71  Postby John F SeaDemon » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:21 pm

Syed K. A. wrote:My solution....Lets be a thinking diver.

If you cant change the system as it involves a lot of people, change yourself first be a smart & safe diver.

If you know the jetty is not safe as diving boats & transfer boats are constantly going in & out... DON'T DIVE THERE... period.

Before you go for a diving trip, make sure the dive operator/dive organizer have an emergency evacuation plan & accident management...if they dont, take your money elsewhere...... but would you do this? that is a question that you should question yourself....

At the mean time if anybody like to do a talk about diving safety during MIDE 2008...you are welcome to do so, please inform any MUW Moderator.

Diving has been around longer then MUW so what is the contribution from divers when comes to safety....plenty of divers, diving professionals, diving organization, dive shops & dive operators..they have made their money but what have they contributed to educate this issue?

A life is loss, it will happen again & again ......... like how we would always say - if only something is being done then this wouldnt have happened... ..why dont we start with our own self? Promote safe diving and follow safety procedures..Make it a good habit...

OR do we need the government agency to hold our hand & making sure we dive safely? If YES... volunteers urgently needed for the post.

:D


Ditto.  Stop the blame game like those kampung folks who blame the government when their 12 year old child dies after the motorbike he rides hit a pothole when he was not licensed to ride and was not wearing a helmet.
-If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying-
John F SeaDemon
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 5478
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:46 pm
Location: Underwater
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#72  Postby John F SeaDemon » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:28 pm

Scuba Dynamics wrote:I agree that it is not the job of the Marine Police to do medivacs but in this case, a case of humanity??

I wasn't there so don't know the sea state at that time but surely even a PA class vessel could have managed the journey as (I hope) they are more seaworthy then the Blue Water Ferries.

Marine radar to monitor? Great! Somebody sees something on his screen, hits the scramble button and the Bosun then wakes the crew up from their bliss and off they go. By that time, what will still be lurking around?? This is just like the RMN vessel that is tied up alongside the SWV jetty more than she is "on routine" patrol and her A Gun is a very convenient drying line for the crew's clothes.

Kluang? Sorry, during my time it was one of the RMAF's Heli FTS after Kinrara then Sempang but then again, at that time, Gong Kedak was just a short strip where I practised my STOL procedures & route checks - guess I am outdated and an Uncle afterall :D

I wonder if His Highness, the Sultan of Pahang, knows about this incident and his reaction would be or is IF he knew???


What is OUR duty as divers to dive safely?  Diving in itself has its inherent dangers that we take all the necessary steps to make it safe, why make it more dangerous by diving in an area known to be unsafe for diving?

Kluang was given to the Army back in 1994/95, heli FTS has moved to Alor Setar together with FTS1 and FTS3 (formerly Kuantan and Gong Kedak).  :P

Remember, the Air Force lost a helicopter while trying to rescue crew of a stricken ship off Muka Head back in 1996 and I lost friends there.  We don't know if the victim was alive or dead or how long he lasted before he passed on.  You call for medevac from the local police station, they will call POTU at MINDEF, POTU will get the nearest helo on standby to scramble.  It would be more than an hour later before a Nuri from Kuantan would arrive.
-If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying-
John F SeaDemon
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 5478
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:46 pm
Location: Underwater
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#73  Postby John F SeaDemon » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:32 pm

Nizaha wrote:

Why they spent more money(our money) to buy high class patrol hydraulic boat if can't go out during the storm?

  So what the marine police actually do??? just escort royal and do drug busted in the island!! that funny!!

I know Dilah (Captain Bali Hai) will drive the PA anytimes during the strom. I'm pretty sure he'll really happy to do that.  :icon_salut: :icon_salut: :icon_salut:

Safe diving
Zaha


Many boat captains would do that, but how safe is that?  How big a storm?  I have been in a PZ-class in sea state five and that is a 130-footer steel fast patrol boat and it is no joke being pounded by 5 meter waves.  Two men broke their arm before we made it to Kuantan.  How would you know the PA would have made it?  Everybody can talk about being gung-ho but when sh*it hits the fan, everyone starts pointing fingers.
-If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying-
John F SeaDemon
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 5478
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:46 pm
Location: Underwater
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#74  Postby John F SeaDemon » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:34 pm

Now, if I remember correctly, the billboards that the Marine Parks Dept put clearly says that scuba activities are to be confined to the designated areas only within a marine park.

Other than that, dive at your own risk.  Minimise the chances of you being in any event that could hurt, maim or kill you.

If the area is dangerous, stay away from it.
-If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying-
John F SeaDemon
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 5478
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:46 pm
Location: Underwater
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#75  Postby Scuba Dynamics » Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:25 pm

Hey Demon,

Your last post in this thread sums it up really well and thanks for the updates on the FTS.

Let's LEARN & LIVE or LIVE & LEARN from this and the many accidents that have happened in the past and from those that WILL happen in the future.
**Dive Anytime, Anywhere**
Scuba Dynamics
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
SCUBA PROFESSIONAL
 
Posts: 859
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:59 pm
Location: 32-2, Jalan 27/70A, Desa Sri Hartamas, 50480 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#76  Postby tupai » Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:48 pm

my condolences to the family.

Is it a coincident or whatever, that seemingly most diving incidents, in our waters, happened to our southern neighbour-divers?  Did we regularly compromise safety in the chase for tourist money?

All of which serve to remind me why I am such a chicken diver... [-(


Tupai-chicken-diver
tupai
Diver
Diver
 
Posts: 41
Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:06 am
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#77  Postby MasAduka » Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:15 pm

sad and tragic.wheres the sausage and the DM.
Make living on what we get, life for what we give.
MasAduka
Diver
Diver
 
Posts: 23
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 9:17 pm
Location: Desa Pinggiran Bayu Mantin
Gender: None specified

Re: Diver died in Pulau Dayang

Post Number:#78  Postby Atuk » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:13 am

Scuba Dynamics wrote:Hey Demon,

Your last post in this thread sums it up really well and thanks for the updates on the FTS.

Let's LEARN & LIVE or LIVE & LEARN from this and the many accidents that have happened in the past and from those that WILL happen in the future.


Yep, all things said & written, the very least all divers can do for themselves is LEARN from this. You have only one life to learn on your own the many possible mistakes and tragedies.  Those going for night dives, PLEASE get yourselves TWO torches with GOOD batteries.  Stay very close to your buddy and like many who have written here, if you know there's heavy traffic, just DON'T dive.  If you must, then a lighted dive balloon / buoy should be a mandatory 'gadget' to have.  The capabilities of the authorities, the traffic above you and many others are OUTSIDE your ability to control and influence so FOCUS on the stuff that are WITHIN.

My assumption here is that something must have happened and probably in panic, the poor diver ascended without paying attention to the surroundings.

My condolences to the family of the diver and his friends.  The best respect all here can give to the departed diver is to, again, LEARN from the tragedy.
User avatar
Atuk
Master Scuba Diver
Master Scuba Diver
 
Posts: 668
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:11 pm
Gender: None specified

Previous

Return to Accidents and Incidents

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron