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Fishing jaunt turns into trip of terror for seven

Post Number:#1  Postby nazimkecik » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:39 am

Taken from 'The Star':

IPOH: A fishing and diving jaunt turned into a trip of terror for seven friends when officers of the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (APMM) allegedly threatened them with guns at Pulau Jarak, off Lumut.

However, no one was injured during the 3pm incident on Tuesday.

Boat captain Loh Khoy Lee, 46, said two of his friends were scuba diving while the rest were fishing when the APMM officers told them they had entered an off limit zone and insisted on escorting his boat back to the APMM base in Lumut.

“As two of my friends were still underwater at that time, I told them to allow me to wait for them to surface before following them back to the base,” he said yesterday.

“However, an officer on the ship refused. We were shocked when the officer, who was holding a rifle, fired a shot into the water instead.”

Frightened, Loh agreed to follow the officers to the base in his boat. However, he appealed to them and they allowed him to return to the diving spot to pick up his friends.

“What is more puzzling is that I have not been told what I am going to be charged with, and my MyKad has been retained by the APMM,” said Loh, who has been detained at the Lumut base since Tuesday night.

Loh’s friends lodged a report at the Sitiawan police station yesterday morning.

Manjung OCPD ACP Hashim Harun said the police were still investigating the matter.

“We will summon the APMM officer today to get a clearer picture of what actually occurred,” he added.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.as ... sec=nation

are they talking about kaleebso??? :o
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Post Number:#2  Postby GOD » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:42 am

Yes they are ... KALEEBSO.

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Post Number:#3  Postby ikan » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:58 am

Another dumb incident.

Poor K Lee is still in Lumut with the boat and all. The divers were stuck there for a day and were only let off the next day.

Just what we need, a trigger happy enforcement officer who got too much power on their hand.

I hope this will turn out okay for everybody.
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Post Number:#4  Postby SeaDemon » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:02 pm

I first heard of the incident yesterday afternoon when Khay Lee called me up after making the police report (Sitiawan Police Report No.100/07). So I immediately contacted my friend who is Head of Legal Department of the APMM who promised to find out what he can. This matter was mentioned in the Moderators' Section yesterday and was left at that pending feedback on the other side of the story.

As I was having lunch today, my friend called me up and informed me that he had contacted APMM Lumut Base's Investigating Officer.  Pulau Jarak is [highlight]NOT[/highlight] off-limits to anyone. However, the Kaleebso was found to be in breach of the Merchant Vessel Ordnance, 1952 (Domestic Shipping Licence)  as the Kaleebso's permit limits it only to the line parallel to Hutan Melintang, and not beyond.  This is something we need to seriously consider asking LOB operators..especially those wanting to do Tenggol LOB trips as most LOBs are registered only in Pahang/Johor.

On the high-handed tactics he agrees that it was an "unnecessary use of excessive force" in getting compliance from the Kaleebso and an internal investigation is underway. However, he also told me off the record that he had voiced out his concern to his superiors that the APMM's Rules of Engagement [highlight]SHOULD NOT[/highlight] parrot that of the Malaysian Navy's because they are in the business of enforcement, and should adopt the Marine Police's rules of engagement instead.

He agrees with Khay Lee on making the police report as shots were fired, and is very concerned that two divers had to be left behind in the tragic episode.

I thanked him on behalf of the diving fraternity for shedding some light on the issue.

So there you have it, you can still dive at Jarak.

-PHEW-
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Post Number:#5  Postby spazm » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:10 pm

Luckily it is not off-limit to divers..:)

What or how do u know u are  paralel to the Hutan Melintang?? <--what is this btw??

Horizontal Forest?
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Post Number:#6  Postby deepblu » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:12 pm

This is something we need to seriously consider asking LOB operators..especially those wanting to do Tenggol LOB trips as most LOBs are registered only in Pahang/Johor.




so how will we know if the LOBs have the license to 'wander' into places they are not registered in?

are they required to display the license like how shops display their lesen perniagaan?

just curious.
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Post Number:#7  Postby SeaDemon » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:15 pm

Luckily it is not off-limit to divers..:)

What or how do u know u are  paralel to the Hutan Melintang?? <--what is this btw??

Horizontal Forest?


Follow the latitude on the GPS la... ;D
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Post Number:#8  Postby SeaDemon » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:21 pm

This is something we need to seriously consider asking LOB operators..especially those wanting to do Tenggol LOB trips as most LOBs are registered only in Pahang/Johor.




so how will we know if the LOBs have the license to 'wander' into places they are not registered in?

are they required to display the license like how shops display their lesen perniagaan?

just curious.


Yes, they should have one on display, as well as their Certificate of Seaworthiness as they are merchant vessels.
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Post Number:#9  Postby spazm » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:22 pm

This is something we need to seriously consider asking LOB operators..especially those wanting to do Tenggol LOB trips as most LOBs are registered only in Pahang/Johor.




so how will we know if the LOBs have the license to 'wander' into places they are not registered in?

are they required to display the license like how shops display their lesen perniagaan?

just curious.


Yes, they should have one on display, as well as their Certificate of Seaworthiness as they are merchant vessels.


well..I remember Mary mentioned about the license thing while on-board the other day. If I am not mistaken I saw it on the wall of Kaleebso...:)
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Post Number:#10  Postby SeaDemon » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:30 pm

I've moved this from ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION to UPDATE ON MEMBERS as it affects two of our members. Maybe ADMIN should consider adding another thread called IN THE NEWS for issues such as this.
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Post Number:#11  Postby ikan » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:26 pm

Thanx SD for the explanation ...
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Post Number:#12  Postby SeaDemon » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:45 pm

Hutan Melintang?? <--what is this btw??

Horizontal Forest?


Haha..I forgot to reply to this one. Hutan Melintang is a sleepy fishing village in the Bagan Datoh parliamentary constituency. If you drive to Teluk Intan via Kuala Selangor/Sabak Bernam, you'll hit the infamous traffic light junction at Simpang Empat..turning left will take you to Hutan Melintang, straight goes to Bagan Datoh, and right to go to Lumut, Teluk Intan, Sitiawan, Bidor, Kampar and the North South highway.

Hutan Melintang has a good seafood restaurant I used to frequent to everytime I fly to Jenderata estate back in the late 90s right until 2000.
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Post Number:#13  Postby spazm » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:56 pm

Hutan Melintang?? <--what is this btw??

Horizontal Forest?


Haha..I forgot to reply to this one. Hutan Melintang is a sleepy fishing village in the Bagan Datoh parliamentary constituency. If you drive to Teluk Intan via Kuala Selangor/Sabak Bernam, you'll hit the infamous traffic light junction at Simpang Empat..turning left will take you to Hutan Melintang, straight goes to Bagan Datoh, and right to go to Lumut, Teluk Intan, Sitiawan, Bidor, Kampar and the North South highway.

Hutan Melintang has a good seafood restaurant I used to frequent to everytime I fly to Jenderata estate back in the late 90s right until 2000.


Hah..now I know..thanks bebs...that's really bad..if kaleebso can operate within these limitation..even if it is still in malaysian waters...
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Post Number:#14  Postby SeaDemon » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:07 pm

Hutan Melintang?? <--what is this btw??

Horizontal Forest?


Haha..I forgot to reply to this one. Hutan Melintang is a sleepy fishing village in the Bagan Datoh parliamentary constituency. If you drive to Teluk Intan via Kuala Selangor/Sabak Bernam, you'll hit the infamous traffic light junction at Simpang Empat..turning left will take you to Hutan Melintang, straight goes to Bagan Datoh, and right to go to Lumut, Teluk Intan, Sitiawan, Bidor, Kampar and the North South highway.

Hutan Melintang has a good seafood restaurant I used to frequent to everytime I fly to Jenderata estate back in the late 90s right until 2000.


Hah..now I know..thanks bebs...that's really bad..if kaleebso can operate within these limitation..even if it is still in malaysian waters...



This is probably because of the certificate is issued by the various ports' officer. If I am licensed by the PD Port Officer, then I can only navigate commercially within the confines and jurisdiction of the Port Dickson area. It also depends on who and how the Ship's Master is certified...coastal? Near coastal? To be a Master of Domestic Voyage (Class 6) you need to meet certain prerequisites and have undergone courses like efficiency in survival craft, radar operator (without which you cannot buy a radar equipment legally), medic first aid, advance fire fighting etc. Then you're issued with a DECK card. It's a long process...you need to know reporting systems etc. The vessel is then permitted to travel within the confines of the Master's certification.

So if you want to do Jarak this weekend, buy a twin OBM 32-footer speedboat and don't charge people. ;D
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Post Number:#15  Postby Jim » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:11 pm

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So if you want to do Jarak this weekend, buy a twin OBM 32-footer speedboat and don't charge people. ;D


No charge? Put my name down for the trip...hehehe
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Post Number:#16  Postby deepblu » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:37 pm

does this mean kaleebso cant go to jarak until they obtain the proper paperwork?
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Post Number:#17  Postby mocha » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:09 pm

hmmm.... fired a shot?? what is the need to act in such a hostile manner.... the person who fired that shot got alot to answer.... laporan 7 salinan tulis tangan... haha... and not forgetting the commander of the boat......
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Post Number:#18  Postby John F SeaDemon » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:13 am

does this mean kaleebso cant go to jarak until they obtain the proper paperwork?


Looks like it...now with the case pending, we wonder if they'll release the Kaleebso  :-/ :'( :(
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Post Number:#19  Postby ironore » Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:26 am

Taken from Utusan Online today...

Dalam Negeri

Bot pelancong ditahan disyaki beroperasi luar kawasan

SERI MANJUNG 15 Feb. – Bot penumpang membawa dua pelancong yang terlibat dalam kejadian tembakan amaran oleh pegawai Agensi Penguatkuasaan Maritim Malaysia (APMM) kelmarin telah diserahkan kepada Jabatan Laut di sini petang ini.

Pegawai Laut Jabatan Laut Wilayah Utara, Rosli Ahmad berkata, siasatan awal mendapati bot berkenaan memiliki lesen sah dan boleh membawa muatan di bawah 12 orang penumpang.

Menurutnya, lesen bot berkenaan juga masih belum tamat tempoh ketika bot berkenaan ditahan oleh pegawai penguat kuasa APMM.

“Bagaimanapun, pemilik bot dipercayai melakukan kesalahan di bawah Kaedah 9 (3) Boat Rule 1953 kerana beroperasi di luar kawasan yang dibenarkan mengikut lesen.

“Bot penumpang itu sepatutnya beroperasi di sekitar kawasan Pulau Sembilan dekat Lumut dan bukannya di perairan Pulau Jarak,” katanya kepada Utusan Malaysia di sini hari ini.

Dalam kejadian pukul 3 petang kelmarin, dua pelancong tempatan ditinggalkan terkapai-kapai di perairan Pulau Jarak apabila pengendali bot pelancong yang membawa mereka [highlight]melarikan diri[/highlight] selepas sebuah bot APMM dikatakan melepaskan tembakan amaran terhadap mereka.

Pemilik bot pelancong itu, Loh Khoy Lee berkata, bot APMM berkenaan sebelum itu telah memberi lampu isyarat untuk berhubung dengan botnya tetapi malangnya dia tidak dapat berbuat demikian kerana bot itu mengalami kerosakan alat perhubungan radio.

Rosli berkata, pemilik bot itu akan didakwa di mahkamah mengikut Seksyen 484 Ordinan Perkapalan Saudagar 1952 dan jika sabit kesalahan dia boleh didenda sehingga RM1,000.

Dalam pada itu, polis telah mengambil keterangan daripada dua anggota APMM yang didakwa melepaskan tembakan amaran terhadap bot berkenaan.

Ketua Polis Daerah Manjung, Asisten Komisioner Dr. Haron Hashim berkata, kedua-dua anggota APMM itu datang ke Balai Polis Lumut pagi ini untuk memberi keterangan bagi membantu siasatan polis berhubung kejadian itu.

‘‘Kes ini disiasat di bawah Akta Senjata Api kerana melepaskan tembakan di tempat bukan sasaran.

“Polis mengambil sepucuk senjata daripada salah seorang anggota berkenaan untuk siasatan lanjut,” katanya ketika dihubungi di sini.

Haron berkata, polis turut menahan pemandu bot pelancong terbabit bagi membantu siasatan kejadian itu.
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Post Number:#20  Postby Spazm » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:22 pm

What a way to spin the story around..."melarikan diri" konon....

well..at the rate we are going, I wonder how "Visit Malaysia Year" is gonna be a success with all these morons around scaring off tourists...
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Post Number:#21  Postby dp » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:50 pm

funny how facts can be diputar belit to the point of being deceptive.

were the reporters arm twisted into writing that particular report?
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Post Number:#22  Postby mocha » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:35 pm

what is the outcome?? how is KLee and kaleebso doing???
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Post Number:#23  Postby timyang » Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:43 pm

The arsehole fired INTO the water with divers IN the water? He ought to be charged with reckless endangerment!
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Post Number:#24  Postby timyang » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:34 pm

Oh this is too much! I found THIS on the bernama website. What arsehole reporter writes garbage like this!

February 14, 2007 22:25 PM        

Two Divers Stranded When Tourist Boat [highlight]Flees[/highlight] Maritime Officers

LUMUT, Feb 14 (Bernama) -- Two local tourists were left stranded in the waters off Pulau Jarak near here when the boat which brought them [highlight]sped off[/highlight], after allegedly being shot at by Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency officers.

The captain of the tourist boat, Loh Khoy Lee, 46, [highlight]decided[/highlight] to leave the two tourists who were scuba diving in the sea at about 3pm, following the shooting.

He said the agency boat had earlier signalled to them, requesting to communicate. However, he could not do this because the boat's radio was damaged.

Speaking to reporters here, Loh said he asked one of his men to take a boat to the agency vessel and inform them of the problem.

The man however returned to the tourist boat after he was shot at, he said.

Loh said about one hour later he and his crew returned to the spot to find the two tourists.

According to him, he had brought the tourists there since last Monday for fishing and scuba diving.

Loh reported the matter to the Manjung police station and Manjung police confirmed they had received the report and were investigating the incident.

-- BERNAMA
           
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