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Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#1  Postby anas » Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:48 am

Caught this on Berita Harian today.


KUALA LUMPUR: Sebuah kapal perang Portugis kurun ke-16 dikesan di dasar laut, kira-kira empat batu nautika dari muara Sungai Melaka, iaitu penemuan pertama membabitkan kapal seumpama itu di perairan negara ini.

Penemuan itu juga bakal mencatat sejarah sebagai kapal Eropah tertua yang ditemui di perairan negara.

Berdasarkan penelitian awal ke atas beberapa artifak, seperti meriam gangsa dan peluru yang ditemui 32 meter di bawah permukaan laut, kapal itu dipercayai diperintah Admiral Coutinho.

Kapal itu dikatakan tenggelam selepas bilik peledaknya meletup ketika bertempur dengan tentera Aceh yang menyerang Melaka di bawah kuasa Portugis pada 1583.

Difahamkan, Jabatan Warisan Negara dan Perbadanan Muzium Melaka (Perzim) meninjau lokasi penemuan kapal itu hari ini sebelum membuat perancangan mengeluarkan artifaknya.

Pasukan itu dibantu Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) dan Universiti Malaysia Terengganu (UMT).

Pesuruhjaya Jabatan Warisan Negara, Prof Datuk Dr Zuraina Majid, ketika dihubungi berkata pihaknya akan bekerjasama dengan Perzim mengeluarkan artifak itu.

Rangka kapal itu dikatakan ditemui seorang penyelidik, Dr Micheal Flecker, yang membuat penyelaman pada 2005 tetapi penemuan itu hanya didedahkan dalam artikel terbitan Majalah Heritage Asia keluaran Januari-Mac ini.
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#2  Postby deepblu » Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:54 am

32 meters...diveable.... ::)
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Post Number:#3  Postby timyang » Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:45 pm

It looks like it is not far from shore. Who wants to go?  ;D
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Post Number:#4  Postby yuz » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:35 pm

bestttnya bila boleh gii niii... ;D ;D ;D
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Post Number:#5  Postby mocha » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:09 pm

16th century technology?? wonder what is left?? real rangka i guess.....
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#6  Postby anas » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:46 pm

it was found in 2005.
now it's 2007 when it's announced.
i wonder what is really left in that wreck....
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#7  Postby SeaDemon » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:03 am

I don't think there's anything much left..and now with the government involved, any attempt to dive there without permit will be responded with a Coast Guard vessel and a trigger-happy sailor with a shotgun.
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Post Number:#8  Postby flying_tapir » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:56 pm

ask around la..whether we can dive?.sheikh? ;)
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#9  Postby putradiver » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:29 pm

U may check with the local authorities.... Muzium melaka is heading it.  

Might drop by soon... ;)
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#10  Postby SEASIR » Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:32 am

Bila lagi MUW GROUP nak tubuhkan pasukan pencari dan penyelamat barang2........ ;)

banyak lagi Ship Wreck yang belum dijumpai....portugis, belanda, british, bugis, china, arab

india, dan kapal2 saudagar melayu yang tak terhitung banyaknya... ::)

translation:
So when MUW group would like to form up a search/salvage team?
There are plenty of ship wrecks around, Portuguese, Dutch, British, Bugis, China, Arab, India and Malays.
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Post Number:#11  Postby putradiver » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:52 pm

Bila lagi MUW GROUP nak tubuhkan pasukan pencari dan penyelamat barang2........ ;)

banyak lagi Ship Wreck yang belum dijumpai....portugis, belanda, british, bugis, china, arab

india, dan kapal2 saudagar melayu yang tak terhitung banyaknya... ::)


translation:
So when MUW group would like to form up a search/salvage team?
There are plenty of ship wrecks around, Portuguese, Dutch, British, Bugis, China, Arab, India and Malays.


Setuju..... siapa nak join...sila bagi nama....

(Translation:  Agreed... who wants to join.... please give ur name... )
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Post Number:#12  Postby Jim » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:36 pm

Bila lagi MUW GROUP nak tubuhkan pasukan pencari dan penyelamat barang2........ ;)

banyak lagi Ship Wreck yang belum dijumpai....portugis, belanda, british, bugis, china, arab

india, dan kapal2 saudagar melayu yang tak terhitung banyaknya... ::)


translation:
So when MUW group would like to form up a search/salvage team?
There are plenty of ship wrecks around, Portuguese, Dutch, British, Bugis, China, Arab, India and Malays.


Setuju..... siapa nak join...sila bagi nama....

(Translation:  Agreed... who wants to join.... please give ur name... )


hmmmmm.... how are we going forward about this? More info pls. Would like to join if time permits.....
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#13  Postby nautallica » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:26 am

Caught this on Berita Harian today.


KUALA LUMPUR: Sebuah kapal perang Portugis kurun ke-16 dikesan di dasar laut, kira-kira empat batu nautika dari muara Sungai Melaka, iaitu penemuan pertama membabitkan kapal seumpama itu di perairan negara ini.

Penemuan itu juga bakal mencatat sejarah sebagai kapal Eropah tertua yang ditemui di perairan negara.

Berdasarkan penelitian awal ke atas beberapa artifak, seperti meriam gangsa dan peluru yang ditemui 32 meter di bawah permukaan laut, kapal itu dipercayai diperintah Admiral Coutinho.

Kapal itu dikatakan tenggelam selepas bilik peledaknya meletup ketika bertempur dengan tentera Aceh yang menyerang Melaka di bawah kuasa Portugis pada 1583.

Difahamkan, Jabatan Warisan Negara dan Perbadanan Muzium Melaka (Perzim) meninjau lokasi penemuan kapal itu hari ini sebelum membuat perancangan mengeluarkan artifaknya.

Pasukan itu dibantu Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) dan Universiti Malaysia Terengganu (UMT).

Pesuruhjaya Jabatan Warisan Negara, Prof Datuk Dr Zuraina Majid, ketika dihubungi berkata pihaknya akan bekerjasama dengan Perzim mengeluarkan artifak itu.

Rangka kapal itu dikatakan ditemui seorang penyelidik, Dr Micheal Flecker, yang membuat penyelaman pada 2005 tetapi penemuan itu hanya didedahkan dalam artikel terbitan Majalah Heritage Asia keluaran Januari-Mac ini.



actually.....there's nothing to be found....they even didn't know what they're found....1583...a battle consist 1 portuguese ship and a few javanese junk took place near pulau upeh...the captain admiral coutinho was captured and killed with basilik cannon, their ship was indeed destroyed totally...next time i remind others especially my dear friend in malaysianunderwater.com do your research first...or you can ask me... :)
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Post Number:#14  Postby pink-fins » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:36 am

Caught this on Berita Harian today.


KUALA LUMPUR: Sebuah kapal perang Portugis kurun ke-16 dikesan di dasar laut, kira-kira empat batu nautika dari muara Sungai Melaka, iaitu penemuan pertama membabitkan kapal seumpama itu di perairan negara ini.

Penemuan itu juga bakal mencatat sejarah sebagai kapal Eropah tertua yang ditemui di perairan negara.

Berdasarkan penelitian awal ke atas beberapa artifak, seperti meriam gangsa dan peluru yang ditemui 32 meter di bawah permukaan laut, kapal itu dipercayai diperintah Admiral Coutinho.

Kapal itu dikatakan tenggelam selepas bilik peledaknya meletup ketika bertempur dengan tentera Aceh yang menyerang Melaka di bawah kuasa Portugis pada 1583.

Difahamkan, Jabatan Warisan Negara dan Perbadanan Muzium Melaka (Perzim) meninjau lokasi penemuan kapal itu hari ini sebelum membuat perancangan mengeluarkan artifaknya.

Pasukan itu dibantu Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) dan Universiti Malaysia Terengganu (UMT).

Pesuruhjaya Jabatan Warisan Negara, Prof Datuk Dr Zuraina Majid, ketika dihubungi berkata pihaknya akan bekerjasama dengan Perzim mengeluarkan artifak itu.

Rangka kapal itu dikatakan ditemui seorang penyelidik, Dr Micheal Flecker, yang membuat penyelaman pada 2005 tetapi penemuan itu hanya didedahkan dalam artikel terbitan Majalah Heritage Asia keluaran Januari-Mac ini.



actually.....there's nothing to be found....they even didn't know what they're found....1583...a battle consist 1 portuguese ship and a few javanese junk took place near pulau upeh...the captain admiral coutinho was captured and killed with basilik cannon, their ship was indeed destroyed totally...next time i remind others especially my dear friend in malaysianunderwater.com do your research first...or you can ask me... :)


Hello nautallica,

care to enlighten us on this.. you mean, harian metro has done it again ie stating facts tunggang terbalik? So you're saying, the ship's that's mentioned in Metro is ermm totally destroyed?
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Post Number:#15  Postby nautallica » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:12 am

Caught this on Berita Harian today.


KUALA LUMPUR: Sebuah kapal perang Portugis kurun ke-16 dikesan di dasar laut, kira-kira empat batu nautika dari muara Sungai Melaka, iaitu penemuan pertama membabitkan kapal seumpama itu di perairan negara ini.

Penemuan itu juga bakal mencatat sejarah sebagai kapal Eropah tertua yang ditemui di perairan negara.

Berdasarkan penelitian awal ke atas beberapa artifak, seperti meriam gangsa dan peluru yang ditemui 32 meter di bawah permukaan laut, kapal itu dipercayai diperintah Admiral Coutinho.

Kapal itu dikatakan tenggelam selepas bilik peledaknya meletup ketika bertempur dengan tentera Aceh yang menyerang Melaka di bawah kuasa Portugis pada 1583.

Difahamkan, Jabatan Warisan Negara dan Perbadanan Muzium Melaka (Perzim) meninjau lokasi penemuan kapal itu hari ini sebelum membuat perancangan mengeluarkan artifaknya.

Pasukan itu dibantu Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) dan Universiti Malaysia Terengganu (UMT).

Pesuruhjaya Jabatan Warisan Negara, Prof Datuk Dr Zuraina Majid, ketika dihubungi berkata pihaknya akan bekerjasama dengan Perzim mengeluarkan artifak itu.

Rangka kapal itu dikatakan ditemui seorang penyelidik, Dr Micheal Flecker, yang membuat penyelaman pada 2005 tetapi penemuan itu hanya didedahkan dalam artikel terbitan Majalah Heritage Asia keluaran Januari-Mac ini.



actually.....there's nothing to be found....they even didn't know what they're found....1583...a battle consist 1 portuguese ship and a few javanese junk took place near pulau upeh...the captain admiral coutinho was captured and killed with basilik cannon, their ship was indeed destroyed totally...next time i remind others especially my dear friend in malaysianunderwater.com do your research first...or you can ask me... :)


Hello nautallica,

care to enlighten us on this.. you mean, harian metro has done it again ie stating facts tunggang terbalik? So you're saying, the ship's that's mentioned in Metro is ermm totally destroyed?


yup my friend...nope i'm blamming harian metro cos they do their job....but as i am, as responsible in researching the underwater cultural heritage..i don't mind to correct any wrong info topics....any share any info and discuss about that's why i start this subject in here....ok our good friend admiral coutinho was mistakenly and carelessly mange gunpowder pot, blew up his own ship. the admiral and twelve other men taken for prisoners and meeting his fate by being placed in front of basilik which fired at him...do yourself a foavour try look for an article by the royal asiatic society 1956....cheers  ;D
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#16  Postby pink-fins » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:27 am

Basilik me dunno and me no care... Basilisk I know.. so am doing myself a favour by watching Harry Potter - Order of the Phoenix today... yeeee haaaa!!!  ;D ;)
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#17  Postby nautallica » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:31 pm

Basilik me dunno and me no care... Basilisk I know.. so am doing myself a favour by watching Harry Potter - Order of the Phoenix today... yeeee haaaa!!!  ;D ;)

8-) yeah good for you dude...well i'm waiting the original dvd the transformers to be out say like...4 months from now hahahha
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Post Number:#18  Postby najibest » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:42 pm

Basilik me dunno and me no care... Basilisk I know.. so am doing myself a favour by watching Harry Potter - Order of the Phoenix today... yeeee haaaa!!!  ;D ;)

8-) yeah good for you dude...well i'm waiting the original dvd the transformers to be out say like...4 months from now hahahha


now blue fins is a "dude" heh :P..should be more dudess heh
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Post Number:#19  Postby nautallica » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:27 pm

Basilik me dunno and me no care... Basilisk I know.. so am doing myself a favour by watching Harry Potter - Order of the Phoenix today... yeeee haaaa!!!  ;D ;)

8-) yeah good for you dude...well i'm waiting the original dvd the transformers to be out say like...4 months from now hahahha


now blue fins is a "dude" heh :P..should be more dudess heh

;D how the heck that i know blue fins was a dudess hahahahha
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Post Number:#20  Postby pink-fins » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:38 pm

Basilik me dunno and me no care... Basilisk I know.. so am doing myself a favour by watching Harry Potter - Order of the Phoenix today... yeeee haaaa!!!  ;D ;)

8-) yeah good for you dude...well i'm waiting the original dvd the transformers to be out say like...4 months from now hahahha



But.. but.. but am a girl!  :'( maybe I shd use back "pinkfins" sniff sniff
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Post Number:#21  Postby nautallica » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:47 pm

Basilik me dunno and me no care... Basilisk I know.. so am doing myself a favour by watching Harry Potter - Order of the Phoenix today... yeeee haaaa!!!  ;D ;)

8-) yeah good for you dude...well i'm waiting the original dvd the transformers to be out say like...4 months from now hahahha



But.. but.. but am a girl!  :'( maybe I shd use back "pinkfins" sniff sniff

;) sorry la i don't know your gender laaaaa hahahaha
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#22  Postby bobo » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:52 pm

Caught this on Berita Harian today.

[snip]Rangka kapal itu dikatakan ditemui seorang penyelidik, Dr Micheal Flecker, yang membuat penyelaman pada 2005 tetapi penemuan itu hanya didedahkan dalam artikel terbitan Majalah Heritage Asia keluaran Januari-Mac ini.



actually.....there's nothing to be found....they even didn't know what they're found....1583...a battle consist 1 portuguese ship and a few javanese junk took place near pulau upeh...the captain admiral coutinho was captured and killed with basilik cannon, their ship was indeed destroyed totally...next time i remind others especially my dear friend in malaysianunderwater.com do your research first...or you can ask me... :)

Guys lets stick to the topic please...

nautallica, the discussion is based on the article and blue fins, its Berita Harian not Harian Metro. And nautallica better you ask Heritage Asia Magazine to do their research, we here just read.

and for me, although nothing is there (may be some parts of it still there according to the early divers) but to dive at the heritage site is something.. who knows, u encountered a new species of nudibranch over there although no wreck are visible... anything can happen nowadays bro...

and nautallica, please open up one thread telling you side of stories based on research on wrecks around Malaysia, this would be very interesting, apart from diving, we know what had happened to them actually...  ;)
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Post Number:#23  Postby IkanBilis » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:33 pm

Interesting topic, and interesting suggestion Bobo. I for one, love to know more about ancient shipwrecks in our waters. We know a lot about the shipwrecks in and around the Carribean, Florida Keys (Atocha), and West Indies.

When I was at the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam, I can see lots of artifacts from Malacca and Johor displayed there, reportedly found around the waters of Straits of Malacca and South China Sea. I wonder who found them and when was that..

I bet, in the waters that we dive in along the East Coast, we can still find undiscovered wrecks and maybe undisturbed treasures. Hydrographic surveys done by TLDM has yield a lot of data that can be used to find these wrecks. For example Map MAL6257 Hydrog Tioman shows that there are many sea mounts south of Tioman, that cannot be attributed to coral or rock outcrop, around the depth of 27-29 meters. These may well be sunken trader ships going or coming from China, who knows??
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#24  Postby SeaDemon » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:24 pm

A magnetometer would confirm the finding. Side-scan sonars won't do anything except confirm target shape.
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Post Number:#25  Postby IkanBilis » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:37 pm

A magnetometer would confirm the finding. Side-scan sonars won't do anything except confirm target shape.

Agree, but Magnetometer can be expensive, and good sensitive ones are also heavy, requiring resources to tow. Any metal detectors can work underwater?? 27-29 meters are not too deep to do sweeps..
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Post Number:#26  Postby bubble » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:07 pm

Visibility is less then 1m

great dive at melaka

i will prefer seat down and take ice kacang while  watching  you all dive
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Post Number:#27  Postby bijan » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:23 pm

Visibility is less then 1m

great dive at melaka

i will prefer seat down and take ice kacang while  watching  you all dive


bubble, can i join u? i bring keropok lekor..:D
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Re: Portuguese Ship Wreck found

Post Number:#28  Postby nautallica » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:43 am

Caught this on Berita Harian today.

[snip]Rangka kapal itu dikatakan ditemui seorang penyelidik, Dr Micheal Flecker, yang membuat penyelaman pada 2005 tetapi penemuan itu hanya didedahkan dalam artikel terbitan Majalah Heritage Asia keluaran Januari-Mac ini.



actually.....there's nothing to be found....they even didn't know what they're found....1583...a battle consist 1 portuguese ship and a few javanese junk took place near pulau upeh...the captain admiral coutinho was captured and killed with basilik cannon, their ship was indeed destroyed totally...next time i remind others especially my dear friend in malaysianunderwater.com do your research first...or you can ask me... :)

Guys lets stick to the topic please...

nautallica, the discussion is based on the article and blue fins, its Berita Harian not Harian Metro. And nautallica better you ask Heritage Asia Magazine to do their research, we here just read.

and for me, although nothing is there (may be some parts of it still there according to the early divers) but to dive at the heritage site is something.. who knows, u encountered a new species of nudibranch over there although no wreck are visible... anything can happen nowadays bro...

and nautallica, please open up one thread telling you side of stories based on research on wrecks around Malaysia, this would be very interesting, apart from diving, we know what had happened to them actually...  ;)


actually me and our good friend Dr. Michael Flecker together survey the site (about 3 by 9 nautical miles) and found it...sorry for misunderstanding..the heritage asia article was wrote by dr. michael flecker based on our research and survey...and the works continue on by the jabatan warisan negara and others govt representative but they found nothing but scattered ceramics, woods and jettison cannon....sorry to say this they didn't do their HOMEWORK!! and based from my own research also.....does the ship still there? if look closely enough on the old paintings by the fort santiago already open sea infron of it. now from 1511 til now...after somewhat 500 years later....there was 1.5 kilometers of land reclaimnation...infront of it padang pahlawan, mahkkota parade etc....maybe all the ship buried beneath them all. just a note, in september 1606 a fierce battle between the dutch and portuguese near the fort all the 10 portuguese ship was burnt and sank, the dutch manage to control malacca by weeks or months but retreat back to johor after portuguese fleet from goa arrived to save melacca again before the dutch fully took over malacca 1641.
however we may find shipwreck in malacca..well new one that sank maybe because of bad weather..etc..and for me , my opinion, try to excavate the site if we find one also we might have to think about the safety of navagations, pirates, state government, public opinion and etc...a lots of birokratik crap that you also don't want to encounter  ;) let's just change the topic, like shipwreck on malacca straits....just a suggestion ok...don't get carried away by our emotions just go with the flow shall we hehehehehe cheers!
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Post Number:#29  Postby nautallica » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:46 am

A magnetometer would confirm the finding. Side-scan sonars won't do anything except confirm target shape.

Agree, but Magnetometer can be expensive, and good sensitive ones are also heavy, requiring resources to tow. Any metal detectors can work underwater?? 27-29 meters are not too deep to do sweeps..

a magnetometer will be good if work together with side scan sonar....metal detectors ok also but quite a pain in the head...and echosounder also ok and if you got enough money use the subbottom profiler, now thats a cool gadget, only if you're donald trump hahahha...totally expensive mak datuk  ;D
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Post Number:#30  Postby nautallica » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:49 am

Interesting topic, and interesting suggestion Bobo. I for one, love to know more about ancient shipwrecks in our waters. We know a lot about the shipwrecks in and around the Carribean, Florida Keys (Atocha), and West Indies.

When I was at the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam, I can see lots of artifacts from Malacca and Johor displayed there, reportedly found around the waters of Straits of Malacca and South China Sea. I wonder who found them and when was that..

I bet, in the waters that we dive in along the East Coast, we can still find undiscovered wrecks and maybe undisturbed treasures. Hydrographic surveys done by TLDM has yield a lot of data that can be used to find these wrecks. For example Map MAL6257 Hydrog Tioman shows that there are many sea mounts south of Tioman, that cannot be attributed to coral or rock outcrop, around the depth of 27-29 meters. These may well be sunken trader ships going or coming from China, who knows??


The guys from hydrography dept TLDM helps us a lot on our research.however they're sooooo hard to notice their effort and contributions..only those who have work with them they'll know about it. FOR THOSE WHO SAID MALAYSIA DOESN'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY, IS AN IDIOT!!  >:(  
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