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RESCUE DIVER COURSE - SELF EXPERIENCE

Post Number:#1  Postby Narco » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:12 pm

Ola fellas,

I'm sure many of the members have made it to the ranks. Some are now Dive Masters, some are now Instructors while some perhaps are taking the other path by becoming a tech diver. However somehow, i believe we have lots of Rescue Divers out there with great experiences, be it during a dive or while taking this course which some say, if were run properly, can be among the thoughest course.

Share your experiences especially during the course so that the Rescue Diver wannabe can benefit from it!
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Re: RESCUE DIVER COURSE - SELF EXPERIENCE

Post Number:#2  Postby run » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:27 pm

good posting. Sure hope the dormant members would wake up for awhile share some experiences.

these are water skills for IANTD.

Program Limits
There may be no more than 4 students per Instructor. This ratio may be increased by 2 students for each assisting IANTD Divemaster, up to a maximum of 8 students with 2 IANTD Divemasters per class session.
No dives may be conducted to depths greater than 60 fsw (18 msw).
No ESA may be conducted from depths greater than 33 fsw (10 msw).
All rescue skills must be under the direct supervision of the instructor. However, Divemasters may direct the skills, provided the instructor is in a position to intervene in a reasonable time fashion if needed.
When performing rescue skills, no more than one team per Divemaster may be active at the same time, and all participants must be within a distance that the instructor may maintain indirect supervision ability.
On search patterns and other group proficiency skills, the entire group may participate to increase the learning ability.

Water Skills Development

A confined water session must be completed before conducting any OW dives.

Missing Diver Skills (Required)
Determine last sighting of missing diver, and then conduct a straight-line search to last know location, followed by search patterns (circle, grid etc.).

Buddy Assist Skills (Required)
Emergency Options Drill:
Instructor allows divers to become separated by a short distance (e.g.: as divers are swimming, stop one diver without the other’s knowledge and allow the un-stopped diver to continue for about three kick cycles). Then have the stopped diver swim (without breathing, and slowly exhaling) to the un-stopped diver and communicate a need for gas, followed by gas sharing on alternate second stage
Then repeat the same drill, except that this time you will instruct the buddies do a gas-sharing ascent.

At a depth no greater than 20 fsw (6 msw), separate buddy pair(s) from each other by a distance slightly greater than water depth, and inform one of the divers that he or she is out of gas. Allow this diver to choose the safer way to deal with the problem. If the diver decides that the surface is closer and more realistic, and performs an ESA, terminate the drill and get the divers together again. Repeat the previous step at a depth greater than 20 fsw (6 msw), with the two divers separated by 20 feet (6 meters). Gas sharing or appropriate Rebreather Gas Management Drill for out-of-air diver should become a more appropriate option as the depth increases.

Assist an exhausted diver underwater.

Assist a disoriented diver.

Assist a tired buddy on surface, using fin pushes and diver tows.

Diver and Buddy Rescue skills (Required)
Use of extensions, surface floats, ring buoys, etc. from boat or dock.
In-water use of extensions and buoys.
Blocks and parries from panicky diver.
Cross equipment/chest carry and control carry.
Swimming rescue of struggling victim.
Rescue of an injured or unconscious diver from bottom.
Rescue breathing and “dosie-doe”, and other carries enabling ease of mouth to mouth rescue breathing.
Equipment removal and transporting diver to a stable platform and/or beach (practice methods of ditching equipment, techniques for getting victim out of water).
Simulate CPR and EMS activation.

Required Skills Final Check
Locate a missing diver who is unconscious and coordinate a complete rescue.

Personal Rescue Skills (Recommended)
Simulate having fallen from a boat in shirt, pants and shoes. Once in water, remove shoes, then remove pants and inflate them as a surface float.

Remain afloat for 10 minutes.Trap air bubble in back of shirt to give additional buoyancy.

Perform drown proofing (remain motionless in the water while holding arms and legs…arch to get a breath of air and float until next breath is needed) for 3 minutes.

Perform hand signals to get rescue.

Surface dive to 20 fsw (6 msw) or swim laterally for 20 feet (6 meters) and recover a 10-pound weight.

Remain afloat for 10 minutes by any means.

Surface dive to 20 fsw (6 msw) or swim laterally for 20 feet (6 meters) and simulate an ESA. Be sure to exhale continuously as if on SCUBA, and to have a good body flare as the surface is approached.

With SCUBA gear, perform one ESA from 10 fsw (3 msw), one ESA from 20 fsw (6 msw) and one ESA from 30 fsw (9 msw). Concentrate on slow ascents, controlled continuous exhalation and good body flare.
Repeat several times.

Swim without a mask or with a flooded mask on SCUBA for 3 minutes.

Swim SCUBA with a flooding second stage (leaking exhaust valve) for 2 minutes.

Simulate a wide-open free flow and use regulator for 2 minutes.

Simulate a blown O-ring between the cylinder and regulator, and have student turn valve on as they inhale and off as they exhale for 2 minutes

ps: just for my reference. never did rescue cause my stamina aint that fit.
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Re: RESCUE DIVER COURSE - SELF EXPERIENCE

Post Number:#3  Postby Narco » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:11 pm

Bravo Run. That's is pretty interesting. ESA is Emergency Swimming Ascent i assume?
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Re: RESCUE DIVER COURSE - SELF EXPERIENCE

Post Number:#4  Postby run » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:29 pm

Narco wrote:That's is pretty interesting. ESA is Emergency Swimming Ascent i assume?


yep.
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Re: RESCUE DIVER COURSE - SELF EXPERIENCE

Post Number:#5  Postby Narco » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:11 am

Hehe.. PADI boys, remember CESA when u see ESA... Superman and aaaaaaaaa all the way.
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Re: RESCUE DIVER COURSE - SELF EXPERIENCE

Post Number:#6  Postby keenfreedom » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:01 pm

Looks like i have to reconsider whether to take my Rescue Diver course, i m not that good in swimming(i know only the breast stroke) and absolutely a dude in direction sense(especially underwater). :(
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Re: RESCUE DIVER COURSE - SELF EXPERIENCE

Post Number:#7  Postby Narco » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:51 am

Practice makes perfect keenfreedom.. Practice and practice relentlessly and you shall be rewarded with rescue certification along with the correct knowledge on saving divers around you.. hehe
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Re: RESCUE DIVER COURSE - SELF EXPERIENCE

Post Number:#8  Postby tim » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:45 am

Here's the problem... Rescue Diver doesn't actually teach you how to self-rescue.

You would think that for someone to go and rescue someone else, that the rescuer would know how to deal with problems on his or her own.

But most people with Rescue Diver cards cannot even self-rescue. They've never been tested in real life or on the course.

Just because they have X number of dives and X number of certifications, doesn't mean that they're experienced enough.

As an extension of that problem, most people with DM cards cannot even self-rescue either. They've never been tested.

It's strange, but it's true.

So how to respect people with Rescue and DM cards, eh?

When you've had enough experience at self-rescuing and rescuing a buddy... then go for the Rescue course. Otherwise, cannot be respected.
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Post Number:#9  Postby projekts » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:38 pm

I think there are some misconception here
Rescue Diver course does teach you how to self rescue.
I have to agree with the author that there are many "card collectors" out there whom I don't even know how they passed their OW, yet possess more cards than any other diver.

Going through the rescue diver course is to prep the diver regarding how to react in times of emergency, for self rescue or buddy or anyone else, although we all hope that we will never encounter that.

If you don't have the right knowledge and technique, you might endanger yourself and the victim when it comes to a real life rescue scenario, so I think the statement "When you've had enough experience at self-rescuing and rescuing a buddy... then go for the Rescue course" is very inaccurate. The diver probably don't even know what to do when it comes to real life rescue scenario. Ask any experienced diver without rescue certification if they really know how to react if they see an unresponsive diver under water, or panic diver on the surface.

As mentioned earlier, there are "card collectors" around who just kept going for certifications for whatever reason, but I personally know of many rescue divers who went thru the course with the intention of gaining the knowledge, not asking for respect. You earn your respect, you don't ASK for it. And reading thru the whole thread all over again, I cannot find any part that anyone asking for respect as rescue diver , or did the rescue course to gain "respect". I am not sure why the author is so against some DM or rescue divers, but most of these guys are the ones who had gone thru the proper trainings with the knowledge to conduct a rescue when they need to.
So Mr Tim, i hope you get your facts right before making such harsh statements about many other divers out there. If you had any bad encounter with any bad DM or bad rescue diver, i would suggest you can go sort out the issue with him or her, instead of coming to such public forum to make such a biased remark.

Tim wrote:Here's the problem... Rescue Diver doesn't actually teach you how to self-rescue.

You would think that for someone to go and rescue someone else, that the rescuer would know how to deal with problems on his or her own.

But most people with Rescue Diver cards cannot even self-rescue. They've never been tested in real life or on the course.

Just because they have X number of dives and X number of certifications, doesn't mean that they're experienced enough.

As an extension of that problem, most people with DM cards cannot even self-rescue either. They've never been tested.

It's strange, but it's true.

So how to respect people with Rescue and DM cards, eh?

When you've had enough experience at self-rescuing and rescuing a buddy... then go for the Rescue course. Otherwise, cannot be respected.

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Re: RESCUE DIVER COURSE - SELF EXPERIENCE

Post Number:#10  Postby Narco » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:36 am

I don't deny seeing many 'card collectors' out there. I still envy and respect those with higher certification as I believe they have done many great deal to achieve that.

Any Rescue Divers out there who wish to share?
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Re: RESCUE DIVER COURSE - SELF EXPERIENCE

Post Number:#11  Postby projekts » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:14 am

I think you can find the course structure/outline from the respective dive agency's website. Personally, i find rescue diver course the most fun, and interesting course among all PADI courses. Very hands-on and had a lot of fun during the course, especially when you do it with a close friend or a regular dive buddy.
Mine was done in Bali, Nusa Penida area, so for those who had been to that area, it's very physically draining especially when it come to the diver tow part. Need at least 2 divers to tow the "victim" against the current to the boat. Definitely no regret after the course.
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