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Post Number:#1  Postby John F SeaDemon » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:20 am

It has come to my attention that there will be a recreational trip organised intended to go to the wreck of the Seven Skies.  May I, as a moderator of this forum, take it upon myself to discourage such a trip?

The Seven Skies is NOT a wreck for normal recreational divers, especially the new AOW divers, and lesser experienced AOW divers. I shall not even mention about the even lesser experienced OW divers.

First of all, please consider the fact that you will be 8 hours sailing time from any form of help.  Aur, which is 4 hours away, has nothing that can help you if there is a medical emergency.  The wreck is in the open part of the South China Sea.  Strong currents have always been a concern for divers diving there, and on recreational trips, with 20 divers in the water, one diver drifting away fast means 19 others will be left unattended.  Forget SMBs and what-nots because in the open seas, in particular if you have waves up to 1.5m high (not even high by normal standards) the SMB can only be seen at a distance of 1km or less.

Secondly,  the shallowest part of the wreck, which is the funnel, is already at 24m.  Best diveable depth is at 30m. At 35m it is already dark and you need lights.  Although the wreck bottoms out at 50m, the stern is at 60m.  The most you can stay down there at 30m, well, check your RDP and see what it tells you. But with such a large wreck, the tendency to bust your NDL is great, and you WILL require decompression stops: not exactly a recreational thing.

Thirdly, even technical divers find this wreck too huge for their liking as agoraphobia sets in. The moment you decide to venture into the hold, you leave the relative "safety" of recreational diving limits. I will say narcosis is the major worry here, let alone DCI of any form.  Remember, you are 8 hours from any land-based assistance.

If bad weather hits you out there, you are f***ed. And trying to muster 20 divers back on the deck in bad weather and strong current: those Kuantan Wreck divers last year should remember the lessons taught. I only hope the lessons were learnt thoroughly. And they were only 3 divers.

Please, just go to Aur and not be gung-ho.  The organisers should not only think of fun, they should also think of safety.  That means, think also that not all are as experienced as most are.
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#2  Postby babyFin » Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:23 am

thanx SD for the info. i realy realy interested, and excited when they mention about the tanker wreck..
but after reading ur post, i have to think lot lot more time on that matter.


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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#3  Postby Ery » Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:47 am

aiyoh i'm scared oledi. better stay at home. much safer.  :confused5: :confused5: :confused5:
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#4  Postby blinded_turtle » Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:54 am

Kuantan Wreck

Back in 2005 Ive experienced that rough moment and my 2 friends fall sick that day.

But truly beautiful one.

Going in again? I will think about it  :)
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#5  Postby putradiver » Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:56 am

You can enjoy other good dive sites which as equal as this but more safer.  It is only for those who are really prepared to do it.

Dive according to your ability and experience.
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#6  Postby sheik » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:03 pm

putradiver wrote:You can enjoy other good dive sites which as equal as this but more safer.  It is only for those who are really prepared to do it.

Dive according to your ability and experience.


... such as?
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#7  Postby putradiver » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:05 pm

sheik wrote:
putradiver wrote:You can enjoy other good dive sites which as equal as this but more safer.  It is only for those who are really prepared to do it.

Dive according to your ability and experience.


... such as?


The Labuan Wrecks? hehehe

Check the postings on the Labuan Wrecks
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#8  Postby Ery » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:14 pm

sheik wrote:
putradiver wrote:You can enjoy other good dive sites which as equal as this but more safer.  It is only for those who are really prepared to do it.

Dive according to your ability and experience.


... such as?


pool dive  :BangHead:
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#9  Postby putradiver » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:25 pm

pool dive  :BangHead:

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Are u getting narc already? hehe
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#10  Postby blinded_turtle » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:50 pm

pool dive hehehhehee

itu untuk kegianan melampau sahaja
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#11  Postby Spazm » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:33 pm

Is there a qualified DAN O2 Provider  for this trip??

If so...how much does the O2 does the LOB provide in case of emergency??

How about IWR??..Anyone trained to do that???..I am asking since it is 8 hours from mainland and airlift is also definitely out of the question should any divers get the bends..
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#12  Postby Mephisto the Heretic » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:15 pm

i was planning to join this trip but after carefull consideration i have concluded that.....DCI wont be an issue..is secondary...narcosis is the first issue.....any body here knows at what depth they personally will get hit?

and not to mention all the other issue that was brought foward by SD.

is 10% of 20 pax got hit by N2 narcosis at 32meter is enought to foul the whole dive..to many variables to take into considerations.
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#13  Postby Mephisto the Heretic » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:18 pm

Spazm wrote:Is there a qualified DAN O2 Provider  for this trip??

If so...how much does the O2 does the LOB provide in case of emergency??

How about IWR??..Anyone trained to do that???..I am asking since it is 8 hours from mainland and airlift is also definitely out of the question should any divers get the bends..





i would assume the supply of O2 is insufficient on the LOB. IWR with high current?....might as well sit at home watch dragonballl..heh
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#14  Postby Ery » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:22 pm

mephisto wrote:
Spazm wrote:Is there a qualified DAN O2 Provider  for this trip??

If so...how much does the O2 does the LOB provide in case of emergency??

How about IWR??..Anyone trained to do that???..I am asking since it is 8 hours from mainland and airlift is also definitely out of the question should any divers get the bends..





i would assume the supply of O2 is insufficient on the LOB. IWR with high current?....might as well sit at home watch dragonballl..heh



i'll watch pokemon.  :glasses9:
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#15  Postby matpung » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:19 pm

Thanks SD for the info... :icon_rr:
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#16  Postby Sicko » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:25 am

SeaDemon wrote:It has come to my attention that there will be a recreational trip organised intended to go to the wreck of the Seven Skies.  May I, as a moderator of this forum, take it upon myself to discourage such a trip?

The Seven Skies is NOT a wreck for normal recreational divers, especially the new AOW divers, and lesser experienced AOW divers. I shall not even mention about the even lesser experienced OW divers.

First of all, please consider the fact that you will be 8 hours sailing time from any form of help.  Aur, which is 4 hours away, has nothing that can help you if there is a medical emergency.  The wreck is in the open part of the South China Sea.  Strong currents have always been a concern for divers diving there, and on recreational trips, with 20 divers in the water, one diver drifting away fast means 19 others will be left unattended.  Forget SMBs and what-nots because in the open seas, in particular if you have waves up to 1.5m high (not even high by normal standards) the SMB can only be seen at a distance of 1km or less.

Secondly,  the shallowest part of the wreck, which is the funnel, is already at 24m.  Best diveable depth is at 30m. At 35m it is already dark and you need lights.  Although the wreck bottoms out at 50m, the stern is at 60m.  The most you can stay down there at 30m, well, check your RDP and see what it tells you. But with such a large wreck, the tendency to bust your NDL is great, and you WILL require decompression stops: not exactly a recreational thing.

Thirdly, even technical divers find this wreck too huge for their liking as agoraphobia sets in. The moment you decide to venture into the hold, you leave the relative "safety" of recreational diving limits. I will say narcosis is the major worry here, let alone DCI of any form.  Remember, you are 8 hours from any land-based assistance.

If bad weather hits you out there, you are f***ed. And trying to muster 20 divers back on the deck in bad weather and strong current: those Kuantan Wreck divers last year should remember the lessons taught. I only hope the lessons were learnt thoroughly. And they were only 3 divers.

Please, just go to Aur and not be gung-ho.  The organisers should not only think of fun, they should also think of safety.  That means, think also that not all are as experienced as most are.


The interesting part starts from around 35m onwards........... so anyone that dives this wreck better know what they are doing.........
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#17  Postby matpung » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:05 am

Totally agreed..
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#18  Postby Ery » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:13 am

matpung wrote:Totally agreed..
Never do anything that you've not prepared to do so... :icon_rr:


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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#19  Postby Scorpenesub » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:37 am

Thank's SeaDemon for the commentary on Seven Skies wreck. As divers, the urge to explore always try to turn us into superhumans like trying to bust the NDL.
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#20  Postby babyFin » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:52 am

ery wrote:
mephisto wrote:
Spazm wrote:Is there a qualified DAN O2 Provider  for this trip??

If so...how much does the O2 does the LOB provide in case of emergency??

How about IWR??..Anyone trained to do that???..I am asking since it is 8 hours from mainland and airlift is also definitely out of the question should any divers get the bends..


i would assume the supply of O2 is insufficient on the LOB. IWR with high current?....might as well sit at home watch dragonballl..heh


i'll watch pokemon.  :glasses9:


where got class one..watch crayon shinchan la..
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#21  Postby Ery » Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:17 pm

babyFiN wrote:
ery wrote:
mephisto wrote:
Spazm wrote:Is there a qualified DAN O2 Provider  for this trip??

If so...how much does the O2 does the LOB provide in case of emergency??

How about IWR??..Anyone trained to do that???..I am asking since it is 8 hours from mainland and airlift is also definitely out of the question should any divers get the bends..


i would assume the supply of O2 is insufficient on the LOB. IWR with high current?....might as well sit at home watch dragonballl..heh


i'll watch pokemon.  :glasses9:


where got class one..watch crayon shinchan la..
shinosuke!!!



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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#22  Postby John F SeaDemon » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:09 pm

Anyone downloaded the latest porn onthe Net? I need a copy please.
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#23  Postby IkanBilis » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:49 pm

SeaDemon wrote:Anyone downloaded the latest porn onthe Net? I need a copy please.


Thanks for the head-up SeaDeamon. Good to know that we have bros and sistahs who would watch over us, and giving good advice.

Sorry no latest porn bro, however I have CSI and Japanese series Bleach if you are interested. I make my own porn...
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#24  Postby babyFin » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:57 pm

IkanBilis wrote:
SeaDemon wrote:Anyone downloaded the latest porn onthe Net? I need a copy please.


Thanks for the head-up SeaDeamon. Good to know that we have bros and sistahs who would watch over us, and giving good advice.

Sorry no latest porn bro, however I have CSI and Japanese series Bleach if you are interested. I make my own porn...


isk isk isk..wats up la guys..??..
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#25  Postby Ery » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:46 am

IkanBilis wrote:
SeaDemon wrote:Anyone downloaded the latest porn onthe Net? I need a copy please.


Thanks for the head-up SeaDeamon. Good to know that we have bros and sistahs who would watch over us, and giving good advice.

Sorry no latest porn bro, however I have CSI and Japanese series Bleach if you are interested. I make my own porn...



Japanese series bleach?  :glasses9:
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#26  Postby Mephisto the Heretic » Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:28 pm

SeaDemon wrote:Anyone downloaded the latest porn onthe Net? I need a copy please.


bring your external HD and we swap bahan (material) during teh tarik....
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Post Number:#27  Postby azrint » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:22 pm

SeaDemon wrote:Anyone downloaded the latest porn onthe Net? I need a copy please.


We can download 'porn' from the Net? :confused2: :confused2:
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#28  Postby John F SeaDemon » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:43 pm

IkanBilis wrote:
SeaDemon wrote:Anyone downloaded the latest porn onthe Net? I need a copy please.


Thanks for the head-up SeaDeamon. Good to know that we have bros and sistahs who would watch over us, and giving good advice.

Sorry no latest porn bro, however I have CSI and Japanese series Bleach if you are interested. I make my own porn...



You make your own porn using bleach? That's got to be painful! [-(
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#29  Postby tulip » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:52 pm

SeaDemon wrote:
IkanBilis wrote:
SeaDemon wrote:Anyone downloaded the latest porn onthe Net? I need a copy please.


Thanks for the head-up SeaDeamon. Good to know that we have bros and sistahs who would watch over us, and giving good advice.

Sorry no latest porn bro, however I have CSI and Japanese series Bleach if you are interested. I make my own porn...




You make your own porn using bleach? That's got to be painful! [-(


:D :D :D :D :D :D :laughing11: :laughing11: :laughing11:
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Re: Seven Skies

Post Number:#30  Postby Ery » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:55 pm

lets get back to the topic...  ;)
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