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Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#1  Postby Sicko » Thu May 22, 2008 9:16 am

Hey guys, anyone here using the Armadillo butt plate to sidemount your stages? I am looking for some feedback if you have used such a configuration.

It's definitely more streamlined, but how's the bouyancy & trim characteristics when using such a system?
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#2  Postby bijan » Thu May 22, 2008 10:02 am

Sicko..there's such thing as a butt plate? first time hearing this sorry..

what do u use it for anyway? sounds like hooking ur tank stages to ur butt..haha 
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#3  Postby Sicko » Thu May 22, 2008 12:23 pm

bijan wrote:Sicko..there's such thing as a butt plate? first time hearing this sorry..

what do u use it for anyway? sounds like hooking ur tank stages to ur butt..haha 


Haha..........you are right. This system in fact hook the stages to your butt and offers better streamlining as compared to normal stage rigging.  :D

Checkout this link for a better description on this config :
http://www.golemgear.com/p-220-armadill ... ystem.aspx
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#4  Postby Snafu » Fri May 23, 2008 12:49 am

Never use the harness b4 but I think u can get away with it by using normal harness system for side mounting.

U need to have surgical tubing that runs through the softpac/BP so it will pull the top of cylinder closer to ur body.

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#5  Postby Nizaha » Fri May 23, 2008 1:00 am

If you're really into serious cave diving and explorer tiny tiny holes..

this setup way to go..

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#6  Postby Sicko » Fri May 23, 2008 8:35 am

Syed K. A. wrote:Never use the harness b4 but I think u can get away with it by using normal harness system for side mounting.

U need to have surgical tubing that runs through the softpac/BP so it will pull the top of cylinder closer to ur body.

:D


Think so too.........Thanks  :)
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#7  Postby Sicko » Fri May 23, 2008 8:37 am

Nizaha wrote:

If you're really into serious cave diving and explorer tiny tiny holes..

this setup way to go..

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Haha........ Not many divable caves over here. Just looking to sling my stages in a more streamline config.  :)
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#8  Postby Nizaha » Sat May 24, 2008 3:23 am

Sicko wrote:
Nizaha wrote:

If you're really into serious cave diving and explorer tiny tiny holes..

this setup way to go..

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Haha........ Not many divable caves over here. Just looking to sling my stages in a more streamline config.  :)


By using Hog configuration, You can easily sling 3 stage included one travel mix and 2 deco mix on your left side.... If you didin't using scooter you can replace one or two bottle to D-ring at the back of your backplate.

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#9  Postby Sicko » Sat May 24, 2008 11:59 am

By using Hog configuration, You can easily sling 3 stage included one travel mix and 2 deco mix on your left side.... If you didin't using scooter you can replace one or two bottle to D-ring at the back of your backplate.

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Yes. I know.  :)

I want to be able to access my stages regulators at all times and yet remain streamlined. The armadillo config seems to be able to fufill my requirements. But I would like to get some feedback before investing...........  ;)
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#10  Postby Snafu » Sat May 24, 2008 5:32 pm

Sicko wrote:Yes. I know.  :)

I want to be able to access my stages regulators at all times and yet remain streamlined. The armadillo config seems to be able to fufill my requirements. But I would like to get some feedback before investing...........  ;)


Just an idea...U buy & test it, then share the findings in here.

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#11  Postby Nizaha » Sat May 24, 2008 7:19 pm

Syed K. A. wrote:
Sicko wrote:Yes. I know.  :)

I want to be able to access my stages regulators at all times and yet remain streamlined. The armadillo config seems to be able to fufill my requirements. But I would like to get some feedback before investing...........  ;)


Just an idea...U buy & test it, then share the findings in here.

:D


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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#12  Postby Nizaha » Sat May 24, 2008 7:45 pm

Sicko wrote:
By using Hog configuration, You can easily sling 3 stage included one travel mix and 2 deco mix on your left side.... If you didin't using scooter you can replace one or two bottle to D-ring at the back of your backplate.

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Yes. I know.  :)

I want to be able to access my stages regulators at all times and yet remain streamlined. The armadillo config seems to be able to fufill my requirements. But I would like to get some feedback before investing...........  ;)
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My question here, How many stage bottle do you dive normally? By do it right rotating stage reg, which mean reg facing outside the bottle. easy to access with multiple bottle. With Armadillo or Nomad configuration, you can find your bottle will hanging lower. which is it's hard to get proper trim.

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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POZPYjALvCo[/youtube]

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#13  Postby Sicko » Sat May 24, 2008 9:32 pm

Nizaha wrote:
Sicko wrote:
By using Hog configuration, You can easily sling 3 stage included one travel mix and 2 deco mix on your left side.... If you didin't using scooter you can replace one or two bottle to D-ring at the back of your backplate.

Safe diving
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Yes. I know.  :)

I want to be able to access my stages regulators at all times and yet remain streamlined. The armadillo config seems to be able to fufill my requirements. But I would like to get some feedback before investing...........  ;)


My question here, How many stage bottle do you dive normally? By do it right rotating stage reg, which mean reg facing outside the bottle. easy to access with multiple bottle. With Armadillo or Nomad configuration, you can find your bottle will hanging lower. which is it's hard to get proper trim.

Safe diving
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POZPYjALvCo[/youtube]

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Have you tried the Armadillo config before?
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#14  Postby Sicko » Sat May 24, 2008 9:39 pm

Syed K. A. wrote:
Sicko wrote:Yes. I know.  :)

I want to be able to access my stages regulators at all times and yet remain streamlined. The armadillo config seems to be able to fufill my requirements. But I would like to get some feedback before investing...........  ;)


Just an idea...U buy & test it, then share the findings in here.

:D

Sure........waiting for your sponsership......... ;)
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#15  Postby Sicko » Sat May 24, 2008 9:42 pm

BTW, Im NOT DIR so pls spare me the GUE/DIR config BS.............. Thanks  ;)
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#16  Postby Nizaha » Sun May 25, 2008 12:15 am

You asking me, If I have try out armadillo?? ..Yes I'm.. last year at Orlando..

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#17  Postby Nizaha » Sun May 25, 2008 12:17 am

Sicko wrote:BTW, Im NOT DIR so pls spare me the GUE/DIR config BS.............. Thanks  ;)


OK...Sorry about that BS.. Good luck for your configuration.!!

BTW I can certainly can Delete the video If you hate that.. :$ :$

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#18  Postby Snafu » Sun May 25, 2008 12:24 am

I suggest u try to lower the stage bottle clip closer to the bottom.....It should bring the stage bottle closer to ur body & making it streamline.

I still like the idea of U buying the Armadillo set-up.

Most of the time I carry 1 stage cylinder only unless I am not to sure of the dive site...then I will have 2 stage cylinder.

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#19  Postby Sicko » Sun May 25, 2008 7:16 pm

Nizaha wrote:
Sicko wrote:BTW, Im NOT DIR so pls spare me the GUE/DIR config BS.............. Thanks  ;)


OK...Sorry about that BS.. Good luck for your configuration.!!

BTW I can certainly can Delete the video If you hate that.. :$ :$

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No need to delete the video. People can view and make their own decision on their own config. The purpose of this thread is to intorduce & open up more ideas for slinging stages instead of the usual ways. ;)

Like they say..........there's more than one way to skin a cat...........
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#20  Postby Sicko » Sun May 25, 2008 7:22 pm

Syed K. A. wrote:I suggest u try to lower the stage bottle clip closer to the bottom.....It should bring the stage bottle closer to ur body & making it streamline.
I still like the idea of U buying the Armadillo set-up.

Most of the time I carry 1 stage cylinder only unless I am not to sure of the dive site...then I will have 2 stage cylinder.

:D


Maybe............But it still restrict movement of the left arm if cliped off the usual way.(especially if carrying 2 or more stages on the same side)
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#21  Postby Sicko » Sun May 25, 2008 8:54 pm

Zaha, as you have experience with the sidemount config before, perhap you can share with us on the good and bad points of such a system? I would really appreciate it if you can do that as I am looking for feedback from users of Armadillo.

At that time, what config were you diving? (pure sidemount, twins with stages sidemounted, CCR with stages & bailout sidemounted, CCR & bailout sidemounted, etc)

You indicated trim issues with the system. What sort of issues? Head heavy? Bottom heavy? Sidemounted bottles not behaving?

On hindsight, would relocation of weights on the appropriate position solve your trim issues? What if sidemounted bottles were changed to steel/aluminium? Would changing the type of bottles solve the issues you faced?

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#22  Postby John F SeaDemon » Sun May 25, 2008 11:00 pm

Hmm...would agree with Sicko on redistributing and relocating the weights.
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#23  Postby Nizaha » Sun May 25, 2008 11:32 pm

Sicko wrote:Zaha, as you have experience with the sidemount config before, perhap you can share with us on the good and bad points of such a system? I would really appreciate it if you can do that as I am looking for feedback from users of Armadillo.

At that time, what config were you diving? (pure sidemount, twins with stages sidemounted, CCR with stages & bailout sidemounted, CCR & bailout sidemounted, etc)

You indicated trim issues with the system. What sort of issues? Head heavy? Bottom heavy? Sidemounted bottles not behaving?
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On hindsight, would relocation of weights on the appropriate position solve your trim issues? What if sidemounted bottles were changed to steel/aluminium? Would changing the type of bottles solve the issues you faced?

Thanks.  :)


I try to modified my CCR to SM before which last year in Orlando. And I end up bought from Golem armadillo buttplate Only instead purchase full configuration system.The only single biggest advantage to me for SM isn't the profile, taking off tanks and fitting in small places.Trim is different, absolutely. I found it frustrating at first because I was so used feel free around my ass!!. Now that is reversed.. In backmount doubles OR CCR  I feel like a mess and in SM I have that comfortable 'drop in' and relax trim, I so enjoy. So, no, I wouldn't say trim is an more of an issue that any other configuration. it takes some work to dial in, and once its there.. it is that same like experience.

Beyond trim, there are issues with SM diving

Gearing up in a confined area (like a boat) can be a horrendous exercise. You can't really gear up on a typical boat bench and you just need more room. Often that room doesn't exist. Getting back out of the water on a typical boat ladder can be an interesting experience too. In both cases I find it better to drop a rope in, hang the tanks off it and do everything in the water.Weighting can be an issue as well. You can't fight physics. If you required 10kg of ballast with doubles you will need it side mount.

Disadvantages that I can think of....
-Not appropriate for deep diving.
-Makes team diving more difficult (and really, if you are on SM, chances are that you're in such a small hole that it would be impossible to pass a reg to a buddy).
-More complex gas management scheme than doubles.

I completely understanding your point by only using the armadillo for stow stage bottle, My point here is why even bother too spent more $$$ on this if your old configuration can do a same work. I know you're using Oxycheck right, correct me If I'm wrong. You just need practice stow and replace the stage. Maybe your stage kits too long again (I don't know) I build my own stage kits anyways..( maybe that something you can DIY.

Are you planning to become cave divers??.. IF yes This configuration Way to go and worth it to get one. I'm know you're good diver aswell.

SM mean = SideMounts
DIY mean DO IT yourself

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#24  Postby Sicko » Mon May 26, 2008 10:26 am

Thanks for the run through Zaha  :) I will look through my options again before deciding.

BTW, I'm mot using Oxycheq. My setup is a combination of different brands bought separate and put together.

BTW, you diving dry or wet when you were sidemounting?
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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#25  Postby Nizaha » Mon May 26, 2008 9:06 pm

Sicko wrote:Thanks for the run through Zaha  :) I will look through my options again before deciding.

BTW, I'm mot using Oxycheq. My setup is a combination of different brands bought separate and put together.

BTW, you diving dry or wet when you were sidemounting?


I'm diving with drysuit all year around, even tho in cave country..Florida. except while I'm in Malaysia 2 month ago.

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Re: Armadillo sidemount configuration

Post Number:#26  Postby Sicko » Mon May 26, 2008 9:49 pm

Thanks for all the feedback Zaha.
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