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a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#1  Postby fakhruddin.mn » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:30 pm

salam and hello to all brother and sista  :)
im new in this forum but have been a silent reader for quite a long time.
i have some questions here, maybe a repeated and a boring questions for all of u, but i still wanna ask it. :laughing11:
kindly answer it base on your experienced and your knowledge  :happy7:

1.if i take HSE, and when come back to malaysia straightaway i take CSWIP 3.1U, is it an advantage to get a first job? i dont have any experince in this field and still study, completing my engineering degree and hope to get a loan to take the HSE.

2. is it anyone here got CSWIP 3.4? is it more demand and more pay if you got this license?

3.after completing my degree, ill take the sirim examination for professional certification for NDT level 1 and 2. if i have this certification, is it an advantage to got a job in commercial diving? im worried coz all i heard now the market demand for this job are decreasing. i have to equipped my self with additional skills to compete with all the experienced diver out there. at least for the first job.

4. i've read some otai2 here have work outside malaysia. can u share some of your list of overseas company contact here? coz as long as i read there got only malaysian dive company was stated in this forum. just for  my future reference  :glasses9:

5.if im not taking HSE, im considering taking ROV technician. is it ROV technician also work freelance or they have a fix company to work for?

6.last but not least, ;) sincerely from your knowledge, which is better? ROV or CD? in terms of pay, job demand, satisfaction, job stress, etc etc.

kindly help me with your answer coz i really need advise from all brother2 and otai2 here. wish u all luck in this 'naga air' year. :D

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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#2  Postby necrosis » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:13 pm

Spazm, you wanna handle this one?
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#3  Postby Spazm » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:07 am

Mobbing system at Loyang port now. Wanna kopi at changi village??

I will try and answer his questions later from my lappie. ????????
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#4  Postby Spazm » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:05 pm

Good day,

Please find my humble 2cents on the questions posted..hope it is helpful.

1.if i take HSE, and when come back to malaysia straightaway i take CSWIP 3.1U, is it an advantage to get a first job? i dont have any experince in this field and still study, completing my engineering degree and hope to get a loan to take the HSE.


Any additional qualification or certificate is always advantageous when you are on a job. However to get a first job, there is never a guarantee. So if you are getting a loan for your certificates, make sure you already have a job lined up as there are still divers with certificates that are still waiting for their first job.
2. is it anyone here got CSWIP 3.4? is it more demand and more pay if you got this license?


CSWIP 3.4(U) in here? I doubt so, they would be more pre-occupied making money offshore now.  Mr.3.4 if you are reading this, no pun intended. You know who you are..:)
There is always a demand for Inspection Controller. Whether you get it or not is another matter.  Do not expect big wages if you are not experience, unless your family owns the company.
3.after completing my degree, ill take the sirim examination for professional certification for NDT level 1 and 2. if i have this certification, is it an advantage to got a job in commercial diving? im worried coz all i heard now the market demand for this job are decreasing. i have to equipped my self with additional skills to compete with all the experienced diver out there. at least for the first job.


The market will always be there albeit up or down. Having additional certs only get you chosen out of the pool of divers without certificates. However, you will still need to perform the job and if you are not experienced enough to do the job properly, experienced divers will do it for you. As mentioned earlier, if you can afford it, any additional certificates are always good.
4. i've read some otai2 here have work outside malaysia. can u share some of your list of overseas company contact here? coz as long as i read there got only malaysian dive company was stated in this forum. just for  my future reference  :glasses9: 
Sharing of this information is tedious and cumbersome. My advice is build on it by networking.

5.if im not taking HSE, im considering taking ROV technician. is it ROV technician also work freelance or they have a fix company to work for?
You can only be either Freelance or Permanent with a company.

6.last but not least, ;) sincerely from your knowledge, which is better? ROV or CD? in terms of pay, job demand, satisfaction, job stress, etc etc.
Looking at the current market conditions, I would say ROV is the BEST!!!...:)
BIG PAY, MORE DEMAND, LESS STRESS, etc etc etc.....(ROV guys..don't flame me for this!!)...:)
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#5  Postby Spazm » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:14 pm

I am sure there are other more experienced divers in here that might be able to give you a better answer than I did. Cheers.
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#6  Postby urchin » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:33 am

Bro fro my opinion you just study after your graduate then you apply for job or during on job tranning you apply the job in this lapangan the are many company, you akan tahu dan kenali  bila y terjerumus dalam this oil an gas industry.
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#7  Postby Tuckfook » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:03 pm

Doesn't Saturation pay the best?
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#8  Postby Spazm » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:20 am

Even saturation is pale compare to what the ROV guys are making!!
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#9  Postby Tuckfook » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:30 pm

ROV = Remotely Operated Vehicle ?  If that is correct how can it pay more than Sat Diving nowadays? ROV operators do not have to risk their lives as they operate above water.
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#10  Postby Spazm » Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:29 am

Demand and supply. Basic economics.
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#11  Postby fakhruddin.mn » Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:16 pm

thankyou very much to all especially mrSpazm for the reply. really appreciate it. hope one day i can sit with you drink teh tarik and borak2 santai with you regarding this industry. and for mrUrchin, ill start my practical at petronas penapisan sungai udang, melaka this coming june. hope to find people as you stated. thank you all  B-)
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#12  Postby padilaut » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:27 pm

Spazm wrote:
[size=1em]..[/size][size=1em] there are still divers with certificates that are still waiting for their first job.[/size]



I'm one of them, still looking for the 1st job.  :crybaby2: Few months from now, medical will expire then need to fork out another rm400 just to make myself ready at short notice.
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#13  Postby Tuckfook » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:45 pm

Wow, things have changed tremendously since my time.  Hydroproducts ROV was new invention in those days.


Anybody here worked for COMEX, Singapore or Global ?
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#14  Postby Tuckfook » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:48 pm

BTW, Divers have always been easy to come by. What is usually in demand are Specialists Divers. I would expect that to be the case, even nowadays.
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#15  Postby Spazm » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:17 am

Yes. I agree with TuckFook. Divers are everywhere now.

Divers with 'special' and 'unique' skills are always in demand.

TuckFook, are you a diver in the O&G industry? If so do share with us your experiences or background. Cheers!!
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#16  Postby Tuckfook » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:51 pm

My experience was a very long time ago. Mid 1970s , North Sea,  Egypt, Middle East, Indonesia. Companies were Solus Schall, & Comex.  I expect everything to be very different nowadays.


My expertise, I'm a graduate Engineer, Non Destructive Testing & all forms of Oil Rig Inspection.  Lloyds & DNV certified. U/W welding and welding inspection. Had to also fill in for construction diving to build up muscles ; )


I came to this forum hoping to hear from some ex Comex divers I was working with, out of Singapore. Joe Sukumaran, Tom Nalpon, Jhonny Goh, Lim Hock Huat.....more names when I recall them.


An incident I will never forget.


We were finishing the NDT inspection of about 20 production platforms out of Ras Shukheir, Egypt.  The last platform had one satellite structure to be inspected, a 4 legged support for the flare stack.  It was the last day of the contract and the next day a penalty clause would kick in. The company would lose money and the divers would lose bonus.


All we had to do was a video inspection of the whole structure. Simple n straightforward. Max depth 70m. which to Divers seasoned on air would not be too duly affected by narcosis. A quick bounce and done. Money in the bank.


The dive boat could not tie up to the structure as it was not designed for a large vessel to tie up plus the flare was too hot to remain under.  We ran the dive from the walkway. Standby divers at sea level in Zodiacs, helpers on the walkway 20m above and at sea level to handle the Hydro Products CCTV cable and coms cable to diver. Accompanying diver to 60m. All divers on SCUBA as air hoses could not reach.


It would have been a 20min bottom time dive.  We were prepared to carry out surface decompression.


Descent went well, video recorded of the structure on the way down to the bottom. Suddenly, there was a high pitched sound from the coms and a faint muffled call was heard. Coms was then lost.


The standby divers were immediately ordered to assist.


The standby divers ordered but they could not hear due to the noise from the flare stack. The Flare stack makes a roaring sound as the gas burns off and the gas traveling through the overhead pipes whistle and roar all the time. Precious minutes were lost before the standby divers could got in.


All this while the helpers were slowly pulling in on the air hose and CCTV cable.


By the time the Standby was at 30m he met with the support diver and they both saw the CCTV & coms cable coming up. Only the Hydroproducts CCTV cam was on the end, No Diver. The support diver had to continue surfacing and the standby diver went to the bottom and could not find anyone. The bottom around the structure legs was no more than 15m square.  Vis 30m but getting dark, a quick swim around produced no results.  The Standby diver returned to surface.


On analysis, after going through the video, we found everything normal, the diver was communicating normally, no signs of narcosis, all the way to the bottom.  The recording showed the support diver, the growth at the legs all the way to the bottom, the under scouring at the bottom level and even several Turkey Fish (large Lion fish) Then the high pitched sound and a muffled "Help Me" was heard before all sound went dead. The camera showed the seabed for a while then pointed to the bottom as it was being hauled up.


On retrospect, what we should have done, was not the hurry the dive, run the dive on mixed gas as it was on the air limit of 70m. Used a smaller support vessel so that it could tie up at sea level, closer to divers. This would have taken another 2 days of preparation and we would have been penalized.


All for the sake of money, we cut corners, something we had usually done and got away with, but this time we lost a diver. He was never found.


It was speculated then that the diver was stung by a Turkey Fish, which is probably as dangerous as any Lion Fish,  and somehow the camera cable got unhooked and got separated from the diver, possibly when he was being hauled up or was not hooked on at all. We will never know.


Sad but true even nowadays. We take shortcuts risking the lives of many for the sake of money.


The lost Diver's name was David Lee an ex Royal Navy Clearance Diver 1, the Dive Manager of the team. I was the NDT supervisor and dive supervisor on that dive.


Royal Navy Clearance Divers'  Motto - " No Dive too Deep, No Muff too Tuff "  The RN Clearance Divers are the Royal Navy's equivalent of the US Navy Seals.






On a lighter note.


One French diver we were in sat with did his big business in the toilet into a plastic bag. Probably thought it would be funny and sealed the bag.  Put the bag into the transfer port and asked the Caisson Master or otherwise the guy in charge of the transfer ports, to clear his bag.  So it went from 100m to the sea level in 30 secs. and  of course the bag blew up and there was shit everywhere, inside the port, out the hoses & pipes, into the air. 


Of course the frog(frenchman) claimed innocence but he was immediately decompressed and sent off on the next heli.


Well, it was funny at the time, for me anyway.  The french language sounds very sexy when you don't understand it, especially the swear words. Besides we cannot smell anything from inside the chamber.
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#17  Postby Narco » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:52 am

hehe.. Tuckfook.. the french and the big blew shit is bloody hilarious! I bet u guys sure do have lots of stories to tell.
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#18  Postby Darren » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:11 am

In reply to your questions:
1.if i take HSE, and when come back to malaysia straightaway i take CSWIP 3.1U, is it an advantage to get a first job? i dont have any experince in this field and still study, completing my engineering degree and hope to get a loan to take the HSE.
Answer - Diving is a hard industry to get into because all oil companies (as main client) will only approved experienced divers. Usual training ground for new divers is civils, SBM's & UWILDS that are less strict. However the more certs the better the chance of getting work.2. is it anyone here got CSWIP 3.4? is it more demand and more pay if you got this license?
Answer - 3.4u requires an engineering degree & 60 days offshore to be applicable to apply for the exam. they require about 3 to 5 years to be considered experienced & get the market rate. Which is more than an Air Diver & about the same as ROV guys.3.after completing my degree, ill take the sirim examination for professional certification for NDT level 1 and 2. if i have this certification, is it an advantage to got a job in commercial diving? im worried coz all i heard now the market demand for this job are decreasing. i have to equipped my self with additional skills to compete with all the experienced diver out there. at least for the first job.
Answer - these certs are not recognized in the diving industry4. i've read some otai2 here have work outside malaysia. can u share some of your list of overseas company contact here? coz as long as i read there got only malaysian dive company was stated in this forum. just for  my future reference  :glasses9:
Answer - Again to work for decent companies they'll require experienced guys. Some smaller companies may get jobs & try & use cheaper guys but then the safety standard may be lacking on the job5.if im not taking HSE, im considering taking ROV technician. is it ROV technician also work freelance or they have a fix company to work for?
Answer - ROV market is flooded with new guys & similar to diving, hard to get in due to the experience requirement6.last but not least, ;) sincerely from your knowledge, which is better? ROV or CD? in terms of pay, job demand, satisfaction, job stress, etc etc.
Answer - ROV requires an electrical/electronics degree as a minimum to get in as a new guy. Both great jobs but depends if you want to get wet or not
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#19  Postby taufik » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:55 am

to asnwer all the question in a shortest way...do u have something like rm100,000.00 that u can gamble with?Be it ROV or diving,3.1 or anything,nowadays its as much as a gamble for new guys to get into the industry.this may sound like discouraging but its the truth.
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Re: a questions from a newbie to brother2 and otai2

Post Number:#20  Postby mamakpenang » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:48 pm

tuckfook,
thanks for sharing, tell us more please..... B-)
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