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What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« on: September 04, 2007, 02:35:19 PM »

Hi guys! just wanna ask all the experience divers n sifu, what will happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth? What need to be done to safe urself from shooting up to the surface? 

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2007, 02:55:29 PM »

firstly, u have to think of who u have to pay the money to..  :D
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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2007, 02:59:03 PM »

Hi guys! just wanna ask all the experience divers n sifu, what will happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth? What need to be done to safe urself from shooting up to the surface? 


well, it depends on how bouyant you are at that particular moment. either you will shot up or you will slowly ascent.

if you ascend faster then the recomended 1 feet per second, there is a chance that you will get decompression problems such as DCS and lung baro trauma..

matters will becomes worst if in that particular situation you have a reverse block going on (ear baro trauma) and also boats racing on the surface (smashed head)

procedures to be done if this happen:

1. full dump your BCD.
2. fin down wards to slow the ascend
3. grap hold of something (bouy line, rocks etc)
4. dont grab your buddy (he is innocent, dont get him involve)
5. or other things that may seem approprite at that particular moments.

also the other forumers may advice based on their experiance. theres are a lot of divers that gone through this i bet, so lets watch and learn.

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2007, 03:13:09 PM »

aIYO.. That's sounds scary.. Thanks for sharing. But to dump my BCD, how to breath underwater? The tank is attached to it, isn't? I still need time to ascend slowly.

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2007, 03:20:27 PM »

ah phoi, not dump ur bcd..full dump THE AIR in your bcd..deflate ur bcd to the max so that u'll hopefully(depends on the amount of air left in ur tank) negatively buoyant in order for ur ascent rate to slow down if ur weight belt were to fall down at that dept..

and yes..IT IS SCARY

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2007, 03:23:56 PM »

if u do find urself in an "uncontrolled buoyant ascent", please refer to this quote i gotten from an article from DAN, Divers Alert Network

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If you find yourself in an uncontrolled buoyant ascent, you should immediately try to vent air from your BCD. If this is not possible, you can slow your ascent rate by extending your arms and legs and arching your back in a "spread eagle" posture while angling the fins to create the maximum drag. You should also exhalation forcefully to avoid pulmonary barotrauma.

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2007, 03:26:53 PM »

aIYO.. That's sounds scary.. Thanks for sharing. But to dump my BCD, how to breath underwater? The tank is attached to it, isn't? I still need time to ascend slowly.


sorry, full air dump the bcd, not dump the bcd.

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2007, 03:31:47 PM »

Hahaha.. Oh, Ok. That makes sense. But how some divers can do it without any weight at all. Any tips?

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2007, 03:33:22 PM »

aiyaaaaa my dear ah-phoi .... what memphisto is trying to tell u is not dump ur whole BCD but full dump the air of your BCD to keep urself less buoyant ...

at 10m the differential pressure is still able to affect your body should the worst things happen, but if u can't keep yourself from staying down  please make sure that u let the air in your lung get a channel to escape (remember CESA) and spreads ur body wide eagled to slow down the ascent ... eeeeeeeeeeeeee yourself all the way to the surface ....

as a precaution please always be sure that your equipment are safely secure on you ....

i was wondering what makes you come out with such a query and moreover at specific depth? did it ever happen to u?



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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2007, 04:11:28 PM »

Tengkiu, tengkiu sifus. sorry lor.. I'm new, still lot more to learn. The reason I asked was because I almost lost my weight belt in tioman. Think someone accidentally pull it lar.. I realized when I couldnt control my buoyant n started to ascend from 12m to 7m.  :crybaby2:

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2007, 04:14:44 PM »

.... next time fasten the belt tightly maaaa

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2007, 04:30:44 PM »

as Jim says, treat your weight belt as if you were wearing belt for your pants.......you would not want someone to accidently loosen your pants right? nor would we want to loosen some one else pants for no good reason right?....very dangerous.......

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2007, 04:33:12 PM »

true true.. but i have problems with my weight belts too.. sometimes they loosen up for no reason and i always wear them tightly ...   [-( [-(

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2007, 04:34:41 PM »

aiyo... already did lar.. dun know who pull it underwater. someone tht tried to get in my pants may be? kwakwakwa. :P

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2007, 04:40:08 PM »

aiyo... already did lar.. dun know who pull it underwater. someone tht tried to get in my pants may be? kwakwakwa. :P


someone pull it underwater? .......

For all who read this thread: DON'T EVER MESS AROUND WITH OTHER PEOPLE DIVE EQUIPMENT UNDERWATER....

I know some people like to fool around by shutting other people tanks UW. Its DANGEROUS.

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2007, 04:46:20 PM »

aiyo... already did lar.. dun know who pull it underwater. someone tht tried to get in my pants may be? kwakwakwa. :P


sorry to hear on the unfortunate incident ah phoi..good thing nothing happened to u yah beb..like mephisto highlighted, it could lead to much serious consequences if u were to to lose ur weight belt and u rapid ascent..

ever thot of trying out chastity belt? u dun need to wear weights if u use it i think.. :angel8:

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2007, 05:01:49 PM »

have to learn much more about that bijan. Ya, i think that would be much better, convenient and safe.  ;)

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2007, 05:02:12 PM »

aiyo... already did lar.. dun know who pull it underwater. someone tht tried to get in my pants may be? kwakwakwa. :P


someone pull it underwater? .......

For all who read this thread: DON'T EVER MESS AROUND WITH OTHER PEOPLE DIVE EQUIPMENT UNDERWATER....

I know some people like to fool around by shutting other people tanks UW. Its DANGEROUS.


yeah. if i see someone trying to be funny with stunts like the above, the last thing they will see is the word J B Esclapez right infront of them before my fins whack them in the face.

right bebeh?


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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2007, 05:06:39 PM »

okie.. if it ever happen to me again, i waaaaachhhhaaaaaaa sama itu orang!!!  Danger danger. :boxing:

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2007, 05:24:38 PM »

i experienced this once while diving in the Similan. I was busy looking for something (cannot remember what) and suddenly my belt off my waist "dengan sendirinya tanpa disedari" (on its own) and dropped into the blue. Happened very fast. I pointed my 'drowning belt' to my Buddy (he quite away from me) but he misundertood me :sad10:, he tought I was trying to point at a fish. I released (deflated) all air I have in my BCD and slowly  ascending to the surface. Thank God, nothing had happened to me.
Lesson learnt :
1) Since that incident I check my weight almost every 5 min (no kidding) just to ensure it is secured and tight.  
2) i will buy my first BCD where i can put my weight inside the pocket. so no need to worry about loosen or drop weight belt anymore.
3) Stay calm and don't panic. Use your brain to handle the situation.
4) I agreed with JIM. This is a good reminder : DON'T EVER MESS AROUND WITH OTHER PEOPLE DIVE EQUIPMENT UNDERWATER
5) Learn from experience.

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2007, 05:27:48 PM »

Ah Phoi,

My humble opinion on ur queries. Altho i dont use any weights or weight belts (apart from securing on the tank strap), in the event it occurs this is what i would do:
1. Firstly like mephisto highlighted, I would dump my air from the BCD. Fastest way would be by pulling from the dump valve. Then release air from the inflator hose to double confirm
2. Try to release air from ur lungs. This will make u sink and less buoyant.
3. Hold on to something to maintain ur buoyancy.
4. Inform ur buddy that u r underweight. While doing safety stop, ur buddy should also release his/her air from the BCD and should hold on to u. With ur buddy being over weight (due to air released) and u being under weight (due to weight loss), it should come to an equilibrium. However ur buddy's hovering skills should also be good to ensure he/she does not shoot up as well.

However if all those above fails, pls refer to what ikan has mentioned. Another thing, u asked why some people does not use weights? This is because some of them has weights carried on them in the form of backplates, steel cam belts, single tank adaptor and etc which adds weight and does not require the conventional lead weights and weight belts.

My rupiah 1 opinion...Others have different way of doing things. U should adopt the method that suits u. But the most important thing is SAFE DIVING... Cheers! :glasses9:
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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2007, 05:56:39 PM »

Ah Phoi--a few more sen worth....

Some people are just more buoyant than others. Some of it is bone density, some of it is biotype and how "curvy" the diver is (curvier divers usually need more weight than ones with less on the "bottom" "top" and "middle" sections--or the 'three B's': butt, boob, belly). And of course, as HoleMaster points out, some of it is gear--in addition to what HM lists, there is also the question of wetsuit thickness and size--the more neoprene you wear, the more you float. It's a very individual thing.

Others have answered the question of what to do if you loose your weight belt, so I'll just summarize:
1) keep your airway open (don't hold your breath, but you can breathe)
2) flare your body out horizontally, like skydivers do before they open their chutes. This will slow you down a little bit.

If you are very worried about the speed of your ascent, monitor your health for a couple of hours and immediately begin breathing 100% oxygen to help eliminate the residual nitrogen a bit faster, and retard big bubble formation.

Avoiding losing your weight belt:
1) Some weight belts have sort of loose buckles. Try to find one that has a nice, clampy buckle, or buy your own and take it with you along with your mask and other equipment when you go dive. That way you know it's in good condition. I personally think the ones with metal buckles are better than the ones with plastic buckles.

2) Keep in mind that when you get to depth, your tummy will be compressed a little bit from the pressure, so your belt may feel looser. You can check it when you get to the bottom and tighten it so it doesn't slip around and maybe put the buckle in a position that it can be caught on some part of The BCD.

3) You might consider buying a weight harness if you are very concerned about the belt slipping off. Some guys, especially, who have round "middles" find that the weight belt slips down past their hips. The harness is something like a pair of braces in that you wear it over your shoulders. It has quick release catches so that you can drop the weight easily in an emergency.

4) When you buy your next BCD, consider getting one with integrated weight pouches. These also have quick release catches so that you can dump them if necessary.
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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2007, 05:58:48 PM »

Dear Ah Phoi..

First of all I'm glad that you manage to handle the situation calmly when it happened, well-done. Secondly I'm glad you are back home in ONE piece. We dont want to miss Ah Phoi the DVD distributor.

Looking at the situation, always always make sure your weight belt is secured tight coz there aint any weight belts that has a double lock (this is for easy dumping of weights during emergency). So.. if your weight belts still does loosen up u/w, this means your weight belt is faulty - change it next dive.

But if your weight belt loosens due to pranksters trying to be funny u/w than THIS shud not be happening!! :angry4:
Look! By doing so.. you could create panic to some divers. Man! This very very dangerous! It applies to everything thats on a diver may it be weight belt or mask or fins etc etc.. I WOULD KICK THE PRANKSTERS a** IF IT HAPPENS TO ME! :angry4:

My cent-less opinion. :icon_tongue:

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2007, 08:18:16 PM »

Wow , very detail advise  :smileinbox:
I really learn something from this thread.
Thanks ah phoi for bringing it up  :angel8:
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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2007, 09:31:18 PM »

Tengkiu, tengkiu sifus. sorry lor.. I'm new, still lot more to learn. The reason I asked was because I almost lost my weight belt in tioman. Think someone accidentally pull it lar.. I realized when I couldnt control my buoyant n started to ascend from 12m to 7m.  :crybaby2:


Dear Ah Phoi,

I personally wud like to extend my deepest apology for unintentionally pulled your weight belt in Tioman. That was very unacceptable action done by the silly me. I should'nt have did such thing that might caused a disaster to anyone. You have my word that this wont happen again in the future. Again, I am truly sorry.  [-( [-( [-( 
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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2007, 09:57:40 PM »

aiyo... already did lar.. dun know who pull it underwater. someone tht tried to get in my pants may be? kwakwakwa. :P


someone pull it underwater? .......

For all who read this thread: DON'T EVER MESS AROUND WITH OTHER PEOPLE DIVE EQUIPMENT UNDERWATER....

I know some people like to fool around by shutting other people tanks UW. Its DANGEROUS.


if its happen..do we have to do the CESA ? talak sempat punya meh..(got no time,man)

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2007, 11:11:06 PM »


and this is my zero cent opinion which most of it has been highlighted earlier on. But still I hope this could help.
Should a diver's weight belt is lost underwater. The diver will go into an uncontrolled ascent. Uncontrolled ascents may result in decompression sickness, lung damage, and crashing into things at the surface.
If the weight belt drops, flair back face up and assume a spread eagle position with the legs and arms out. Dump all the air out of the BC as you rise to the surface. (We can try this during pool session)
Keep breathing normally. You will be surprised as to how much this flare will slow the ascent, especially in deeper water. Of course, if the diver has been down deep enough and long enough to get decompression sickness because an uncontrolled ascent, serious consequences may still result. Most important of all, do not get yourself into the panic room. cheers!

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2007, 11:25:06 PM »

it happened to me too but in this case it was towards to last 7m of my dive. not much air left & my buddy was no near me. how much i tried to released all air......i slowly ascend towards surface.....wat a headache after the dive :tongue3:
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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2007, 02:23:36 AM »

the main concern here is basically DCS n lung overexpansion injury

to prevent DCS is to ascend at a safe rate(PADI standard:not more than 18m/min)
so induce drag,spread out ur arms n legs so u hav more surface area...more surace area equals more drag,for ppl who hav good control over their bouyancy normally this would sufice(ppl who hav good boyancy control sumtimes dont even need weights to descend,during PADI adv OW course,there is an optional skill called Peak Bouyancy Control which teaches u bout proper weighting n achieving good bouyancy control)
for those less experienced if by chance u r too bouyant,release air frm BCD via dump valve while doing as said above this would reduce the upward force thus reducing ur ascend rate

i wouldnt recomend grabing hold of any reachable object coz this would result in a panic attack,increased heart rate n anxiety...which would increase chances of DCS
imagine urself rising up like an elevator all calm n relaxed chances are u wont get DCS
plus u dont want to cut urself on the rocks or corals that would add bleeding to ur list of injuries

normally DCS isnt an issue in a runaway ascent,due to the fact that the human body can tolerate supersaturation to a certain amount(supersaturation is wen the gases in your body exceeds the ambient pressure,exp:wen u shake a bottle of coke)but lung overexpasion is a major concern

to prevent lung overexpansion injury is to follow the number one rule of diving:NEVA HOLD UR BREATH!!if u manage to control u ascend rate breathe in a slow n deep manner n your lungs will adjust itself to the surrounding pressure...if by chance u are ascending too fast(by rule of thumb never ascend faster than ur smallest bubble u exhaled)open ur airway by lifting up ur chin n exhale slowly n calmly

once again i emphasize on staying cool n relaxed so ur body wouldnt need as much oxygen so u would reduce the risk of drowning n fainting due to hypoxia(lack of oxygen)

once u reach the surface u should discontinue diving for the next 48hours n monitor ur condition(i.e. getting worse or better)

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Re: What happen if u lose ur weightbelt at 10-12m depth
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2007, 06:53:37 AM »

Nice thread brothers... Very informative ...   -nt-

A must read for every newbies like me..he..he..he.. ;)