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Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« on: July 29, 2011, 11:37:29 AM »

Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
1)      Wings BCD/jacket
2)      Dive comp
3)      Camera underwater
4)      Mask, snorkel, booties
5)      Wetsuit
6)      Regulator

New divers are so vulnerable especially the ladies. It is easy to fill their minds
To buy stuff that are actually not necessary to buy in short notice.
Of course there are things which is for safety measure good to buy immeadiately.

I often come across divers who are new but already have a complete setup from head to toe.
Sadly they didn’t really know how to use their stuff correctly.
It is easily to get poison by instructors and fellow divers to buy this stuff and that stuff just so
You can get the feeling of safety using your own gears underwater.
Though it will be just another waste if you dump all ur money on the wrong equipment unsuited for you.

If you are a diver with endless income and money is not a big deal, then by all means buy anything you want.
Cause I would do the same too. Just so you know with all that high end equipment strapped around your body with experienced 100+ dives and dived all around the world
but still your finning like riding a bycyle and your air runs out by 30min underwater, it’s a disgrace to those product.

If you are a budget diver with fix income and dives more than 2 dive trips a year, don’t go for cheap stuff from head to toe. Just like in medical practises.
There are major organs and minor organs. In a human body , the lungs the heart are are vital for our life support.
Spend more on regulators and 1st stage. Use reg that can support your breathing from depth 5meters up to 40meters for recreational.
I will not go and elobrate for more than 40meter cause those people who can dive beyond that limit knows how to value their lives.
If you are a budget diver with fix income and dives less than 2 dive trips a year , then buy something that is not so heavy duty.
Just so you know some reg when you turned yourself up-side down, the water will get into your reg.
I wont elobrate whether its cheap or expensive reg. You can experience it at some of the dive centers.

How many new divers really know how to use the dive comp properly aside from just looking at the depth, bottom time and deco time?
How about the deep stops or ceiling stops? What about the ascent rate?
The dive comp is not just for fancy underwater. Look back at  the manual and read thru.
If you just want to dive without considering deco , ascent rate then there is no need to buy yourself the expensive dive comp.
Just take a course multi-level and use your HP gauge for depth and normal watch for bottom time.

Wings are design to give better trimming underwater especially for those technical divers, photographers and videographers.
When ur buddy has one, don’t just blindly wants one too. Check the harness system. Check the material. Read reviews on the
Internet. Best of all correct your trimming and bouyancy to get the optimimum result of wearing a wing.
How do you know you have reach your good trimming and bouyancy underwater.?It is when you no longer need to frequently
Purge and inflate your BCD while underwater. You use your lungs to do that and you get to hover effortlessly.
What if even when you use your lungs still unable Ascent(too slow) and descend too fast , that means you are over weighted.
When you are about to finished the dives. There is no need for you to finning upwards to the depth 5meter.
Just breath in so that your lungs fill with air and you will Ascent , that is if your are properly weighted.
Unless when you are about to deco , then you will need to hurriedly finning upward
In order not to let your Dive comp error and lock. Though this is not a good practise to be xcersize.
If you manage to go to the pool for diving practises, then I advise divers to do the hovering before you ending
You pool dives. Many divers often ignores the hovering practise in pools.If you are in a pool with depth only 2m.
Then try to hover by not touching the floor nor touching the surface of the water. In the pool there are no waves and currents and so hovering will not be any problem to do but at sea you can get your hovering during The safety stop 5m a little bit +-1m.

Last but not least, when you know you have problem, please inform to your DM/buddies before you enter the water.
Safe diving to all
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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 12:20:33 PM »

Thanks millions bro,  :) for the value infos@knowledge. Since i'm newbie in this scuba world, i will take it as a guideline and for sure i'm still lacking in many things, i must improve as i gain an experience..hope so.
 
Anyway, i'm excluded in a above list yea(since my equipment haven't complete yet)...hehe  ;)

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2011, 12:36:09 PM »

nice job, thanks for the info......
budget diver? no lah cheap diver maybe hehe...cheers :D

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 12:44:19 PM »

Anyway, i'm excluded in a above list yea(since my equipment haven't complete yet)...hehe  ;)


Good for you. The more time for you to survey which are the right stuff for you.
Before i had my own gears, i rented a lot of gears from the dive shops.
Just to get the feeling of how i react to each products and of course not to forget the maintance
fee and servicing.
 
Nothing comes cheap in the diving world. Budget is the best suited word for it :) heh

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 01:45:33 PM »

To all new divers, my advise would normally be let it just be fins n mask if they really wanna buy eagerly. I personally will not buy a single thing not until n unless I read countless review + manuals + comments, ask from experience, view and try the product. Basically I will study it from head to toe and compare it with my needs and preferances. So far, I'm satisfied with what I have and each items are in use.

Pool session: never neglect pool. Pool is good training ground for not only for firm buoyancy control but also for self review. Apart from practicing bouyancy, I will also do a self review on all skills that I've learned. The benefit will reveal each time u go for a dive.

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 02:01:15 PM »

Great post. I guess I am one of those who fallen into that catagory of '2dives a year but with almost a full set of gears'.. lol...

Its all started when my diving instructor took me and a few other newbies on the 1st day we meet to a dive shop and told us, before we start the open water course with him, it is better to have our own gears; mask, fin, booty, snorkle. Thinking it is a common practice and full of excitement, we bought. Only after more dives, that i realise a few things, firstly those equipments we bought are overpriced.
Secondly I realise the booty, fin and mask doesnt really suit me and after some research and dives, i need to buy another set.
Thirdly not all divers have their equipments and diving gears can be rented quite conviniently in most dive shop, forthly dive gears are 'quite' heavy and it is not practical to carry them around taking budget airline.

Just to share my thoughts with everyone here on the issue.  ;)

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 02:15:45 PM »

Great post. I guess I am one of those who fallen into that catagory of '2dives a year but with almost a full set of gears'.. lol...

Its all started when my diving instructor took me and a few other newbies on the 1st day we meet to a dive shop and told us, before we start the open water course with him, it is better to have our own gears; mask, fin, booty, snorkle. Thinking it is a common practice and full of excitement, we bought. Only after more dives, that i realise a few things, firstly those equipments we bought are overpriced.
Secondly I realise the booty, fin and mask doesnt really suit me and after some research and dives, i need to buy another set.
Thirdly not all divers have their equipments and diving gears can be rented quite conviniently in most dive shop, forthly dive gears are 'quite' heavy and it is not practical to carry them around taking budget airline.

Just to share my thoughts with everyone here on the issue.  ;)


Instructors have better pricing then the normal divers. They can get cheaper than us.

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 02:20:00 PM »

Yes, but the eq we bought still overpriced.  [-(  so you get what i mean?  :P

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 02:34:55 PM »

Great post. I guess I am one of those who fallen into that catagory of '2dives a year but with almost a full set of gears'.. lol...

Its all started when my diving instructor took me and a few other newbies on the 1st day we meet to a dive shop and told us, before we start the open water course with him, it is better to have our own gears; mask, fin, booty, snorkle. Thinking it is a common practice and full of excitement, we bought. Only after more dives, that i realise a few things, firstly those equipments we bought are overpriced.
Secondly I realise the booty, fin and mask doesnt really suit me and after some research and dives, i need to buy another set.
Thirdly not all divers have their equipments and diving gears can be rented quite conviniently in most dive shop, forthly dive gears are 'quite' heavy and it is not practical to carry them around taking budget airline.

Just to share my thoughts with everyone here on the issue.  ;)


Instructors have better pricing then the normal divers. They can get cheaper than us.


Some instructors..  and i really i mean some instructors.. will try to make out money somehow or rather out of new students.. Unfortunately, this is happening widely. Unfortunately as well, new OWD students just abide without checking.

Sometimes, OWD students are not eager to buy, but one way or another, are indirectly 'forced' to buy. Where will they buy? From their instructor or from sources recommended by their instructor. As a result, they buy overpriced items. I've witnessed several incidents. But there are also good and responsible instructors who are really into the comprehensiveness of the development of their students than just $kachiiinnnggg$$.

I salute them and in fact till now this kind of instructor remains friends and never absent from my dive buddy list. Instructors, do realize that students have put their trust upon u. For that, please do not misuse it solely for ur own money making benefit.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2011, 02:58:09 PM »

Wow! should ask the intructors before taking the course then. So that is why people keep saying the dive courses are so expensive.

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2011, 03:07:12 PM »

Actually dive course is not expensive if you didn buy the equipment  B-) . But you really plan to get a set dive equipment u can start with 2nd hand fins, mask, snorkel and booties. so u can try them if don like it still can sell out haha.

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2011, 03:07:13 PM »

Yes, but the eq we bought still overpriced.  [-(  so you get what i mean?  :P


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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2011, 03:30:33 PM »

this is very informational. thanksss.


i am still a new diver, first year anni this month  :glasses9:  and i am by all means, have no intention to buy myself a reg (yet) because i dont want to fall under impulse buying. altho i have to say i feel slightly intimidated watching all divers with all the stuffs and me with just rented dive equipments -_-
but i shoved all malu aside and being a new diver, i did ask around what should i buy first without breaking a bank.
it took me awhile and decided to get a dive comp and camera, which i have to say i am fully satisfied with my purchases.


but before that i did make an impulse purchase (after a month got license), cheapo rubber fins.
nak jual balik dekat orang lain pun segan, i wear them once and decided i should invest good fins (maybe in a year or two) ;)

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2011, 03:44:11 PM »

In my opinion. I feel most new divers are not so well informs on what to expect from the instructor. So naturally like most new students entering a class for the 1st time, if your teacher ask u to get some study material to help u excel in your study, most students will generally oblige to it.
What more we are entering what consider to be a ‘hostile’ environment, most new divers  are naturally nervous and excited. So if someone come along and tell you, with ‘these’ items you will feel a lot more comfort or in some cases might actually safe your life. If that ‘someone’ is your diving instructor make it more credible because you are learning from him/her and placing your life on his hand. So most of the time if you can afford it you might buy it.

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2011, 03:55:14 PM »

but before that i did make an impulse purchase (after a month got license), cheapo rubber fins.
nak jual balik dekat orang lain pun segan, i wear them once and decided i should invest good fins (maybe in a year or two) ;)


Actually a rubber fin is a good as any fins cause rubber give you the additional weight for you.
They are durable and not that easy to break or bend like some fins. Only for the ladies it might be a bit to heavy to paddle fighting against current.

I am not sure why but it is normal for divers to ask me "this fin if against current good or not?",
frog kick can or not?. When i come across these divers , i offered myself to test their fins.
To tell you the truth, most divers use the wrong technique with the wrong fins.
Try to experiment with your gears. Paddling the splits are not the same with the non-splits.
Longer fins kicks less than the shorter fins.
When fighting against current, glide just like the fishes does. See how the fishes moves from the left and right but still their body are swimming facing the currents and when they had enough with
the currents they shelter themselves between the rocks or corals.

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2011, 05:40:33 PM »

In a way, i do agree with Run. As certified diver, one should have been trained to deal with current. In most situation, it is not about fighting the current, it is about dealing with the current. Initially, i use a cheap split fin which most people said a terrible fin to use especially when u r in a challenging situation.
 
I'm no expert but i can share a thing or two. I was in Sipadan not too long ago when my better half took her OWD. During one of the dives, we were caught by current and i somehow realise that my better half was left unattended at a distance of 100m from me. Alhamdulillah, i managed to paddle towards her against quite a heavy current without really taxing myself -  thus proving that this cheapo fullfoot splitfin is not as bad as everybody think it is.
 
Now, i'm a proud owner of an avanti quattro. Slightly stiffer but the pushing forward is amazing. Still trying to get use to it. But i still love my cheapo splitfin. It's light, effective and travel friendly.
 
So, it is about u and how you handle it.

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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2011, 04:08:45 PM »

I agree narco. It is how you handle ur gears. I also found that most divers wears their mask very tight on their face. We could see the skin mark after every dives. Wearing the mask tight makes it hard to equalize for the face and eyes. This could also lead to headaches and red eyes.

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2011, 08:52:14 PM »

This topic really makes my eyes open widely. So manythings tht i have to think. I must plan properly. Think before i buy, think before i do... Me as a new diver and a lady as well with her woman nature, 'so eager to buy' especially when get influenced by experienced diver, yea truly i can't deny tht. hehe... Now, i know how to decide already...thx ALL!  ;)

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2011, 10:16:44 AM »

hello MUWians...  :)

this topic betul2 kena batang hidung gua... hehehe...  :D im the kind of diver that just certified and terus bought all this equipment...  :D however im feeling more comfortable and safe using my own equipment rather than sharing with the DC equipment that sometimes look like a bit too 'old'...  [-( but there are a few points that I wanna share with you guys :
1. wait for MIDE if you guys wanna go shopping for diving equipment...  :D you can save a lot of money, and i mean A LOT...!!!!
2. always ask for guidance from expert about maintenance and servicing...  :crybaby2: servicing can be a pain in the a**...  :crybaby2: :crybaby2:
3. once you buy it, make sure of fully utilize the equipment...  :D

chiao...  :hello:

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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2011, 05:30:48 PM »

Couldn't agree more with chip, wait for MIDE last day coz the price will go down a little bit more.
just wanna add.....
we can always buy gears that we feel will suit us but after trying it once or twice in a pool or sea, we found out the gears are so so....
but anyway u can always sell back your gears that u feel not comfortable with to a new divers with 50% discounts or give it for free hehe...

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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2011, 08:55:24 PM »

Couldn't agree more with chip, wait for MIDE last day coz the price will go down a little bit more.
just wanna add.....
we can always buy gears that we feel will suit us but after trying it once or twice in a pool or sea, we found out the gears are so so....
but anyway u can always sell back your gears that u feel not comfortable with to a new divers with 50% discounts or give it for free hehe...


hey mamakpenang..  ;)

do you have any diving gear that you wanna let go for 50% disscount or for free... hehehe...  :D :D :D

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2011, 04:07:21 AM »

And what is the reason for new divers buying the complete set up?

I suppose, in their kan-cheongness of getting certified probably added fuel to an already big "fire" (ie semangat). heh. Tis true that you are far off better diving with your own equipment, as the familiarity with it will make you less prone to asking "how the hell do you read this SPG?" or having an ill-fitting gear on you that just makes u plain uncomfortable.

Of course, the initial cost of buying equipment can burn a very, very large hole in your pockets. But you think you will be diving more frequently, the cost of the initial outlay will balance itself out in the long run. 

Few things you can do when considering buying equipment:
- Do extensive and ask thousands of questions. Not only from the guys at the dive shop, but also from dive buddies, forums etc. There is never a case of "too much info".

- Throw in a bribe of teh tarek and perhaps a plate of mee goreng mamak, you can test out their equipment (in a pool), which will give you a first hand feel of how they work and feel on you prior to purchase.

- As mentioned by chip, do check on the cost of maintenance and servicing Dive Computers and regulators. Different brands will differ in cost - some hitting the higher end of 3 figures. Not to mention, how easily available the parts are, too - you wouldnt want your precious gear to be lying on a technician's worktable in a dive shop during a dive season, would you?  ;)

With proper care (pre & post dive) these equipment can last you a long time - which brings us back to what i said about costs of initial outlay balancing itself out in time". My gear is now entering its 7th year of constant use - oklah, albeit a few "upgrades" like hose changes, replacing lost masks and "new" fins to make the load lighter when flying.


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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2011, 02:05:34 PM »

And what is the reason for new divers buying the complete set up?

I suppose, in their kan-cheongness of getting certified probably added fuel to an already big "fire" (ie semangat). heh. Tis true that you are far off better diving with your own equipment, as the familiarity with it will make you less prone to asking "how the hell do you read this SPG?" or having an ill-fitting gear on you that just makes u plain uncomfortable.

Of course, the initial cost of buying equipment can burn a very, very large hole in your pockets. But you think you will be diving more frequently, the cost of the initial outlay will balance itself out in the long run. 

Few things you can do when considering buying equipment:
- Do extensive and ask thousands of questions. Not only from the guys at the dive shop, but also from dive buddies, forums etc. There is never a case of "too much info".

- Throw in a bribe of teh tarek and perhaps a plate of mee goreng mamak, you can test out their equipment (in a pool), which will give you a first hand feel of how they work and feel on you prior to purchase.

- As mentioned by chip, do check on the cost of maintenance and servicing Dive Computers and regulators. Different brands will differ in cost - some hitting the higher end of 3 figures. Not to mention, how easily available the parts are, too - you wouldnt want your precious gear to be lying on a technician's worktable in a dive shop during a dive season, would you?  ;)

With proper care (pre & post dive) these equipment can last you a long time - which brings us back to what i said about costs of initial outlay balancing itself out in time". My gear is now entering its 7th year of constant use - oklah, albeit a few "upgrades" like hose changes, replacing lost masks and "new" fins to make the load lighter when flying.


 :)


 

 
hola dp...  :hello:
 
just wandering... what is 'kan-cheongness'...?? 

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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2011, 05:18:50 PM »

If i'm not mistaken 'kan-cheong' means 'tergesa-gesa' or 'terburu-buru' or mcm Chip lah, dh tak sabar2 nak beli smuanya dlm masa yg terdekat. hehe  :P

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2011, 05:35:19 PM »

If i'm not mistaken 'kan-cheong' means 'tergesa-gesa' or 'terburu-buru' or mcm Chip lah, dh tak sabar2 nak beli smuanya dlm masa yg terdekat. hehe  :P


hehehe my bad ikan wadi...
actually i bought all the equipment step by step...  :) it has been 1 years since my first dive and I have almost all equipment except weight, tank, UW camera and DC...  :D maybe i'm to 'kan cheong'... hahahaha... but it cant be helped im too crazy about diving...  [-(

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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2011, 11:19:05 AM »

hehehe my bad ikan wadi...
actually i bought all the equipment step by step...  :) it has been 1 years since my first dive and I have almost all equipment except weight, tank, UW camera and DC...  :D maybe i'm to 'kan cheong'... hahahaha... but it cant be helped im too crazy about diving...  [-(

Maybe i'm not too kan-cheong to compare to, cause i can be more patient than u. I buy by installment one. Once payment finish then only i get my barang. Means i can pay by many2 times i want. On the other hand, i can say that myself more 'berhemah' then. hehe ^^

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2011, 12:05:33 PM »

Pssstt.. lets just buy a first stage this month by installment.. then followed by second stage.. octo.. SPG.. second stage hose.. octo hose.. HP hose.. etc..
 
all one by one.. by monthly payment with zero interest.

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2011, 02:15:06 PM »

Yup, agreed!  :smileinbox:

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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2011, 03:00:11 PM »

Can start with dust cap.. anybody favor that?
 
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Re: Things new divers (after certification) so earger to buy
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2011, 03:43:13 PM »

Can start with dust cap.. anybosy favor that?
 
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