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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #120 on: September 15, 2008, 04:35:36 PM »

in the press





The Picture is CLEAR....spreafishing is Illegal...!! Worst....it happen in Marine park... :angry4: :angry4:!! Now everyone knows where to log a report and complains...Thanks JournoFisho..! ;)

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #121 on: September 15, 2008, 05:29:20 PM »

thank to me for what, thank you the writer la, i bump into the write up last Saturday... heheh

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #122 on: September 15, 2008, 06:10:29 PM »

Pumkin,

I think most of us know the person in the picture. It was clearly shot on the MV Grace and the former owner loved to spearfish in our waters. He shot this grouper most likely at Sawadee Wreck on Tioman, but that's some 3 years ago. He also shot marble rays at the Repulse. Reason why nobody said something was that he was the owner, the one who organized the trip. I was never aboard when he practices his love for killing with a speargun but heard many stories... Luckily he is no longer running any liveaboard trips and has retired to his homecountry Australia, so he's no longer a thread to our reefs...


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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #123 on: September 15, 2008, 06:33:20 PM »


The Picture is CLEAR....spreafishing is Illegal...!! Worst....it happen in Marine park... :angry4: :angry4:!! Now everyone knows where to log a report and complains...Thanks JournoFisho..! ;)


Not quite, Bluemoon, the numbers displayed are those in Putrajaya & only operational during OFFICE HOURS. Most events occur on weekends. Best thing to do now is that each one of us, write in or fax an enquiry about their operation procedures ie. what number to call AFTER working hours, who is deployed to the scene, how many will come, what boat they will be using, how to curb future spearing activities, what are the enforcement plans, etc. & forward a copy of your correspondence to all the newspapers' editors. When they start receiving so many reports, they will start to act. Believe me when I say they had no petrol during one incident that we reported. This was straight after they replied that they were on holiday that day.  :icon_scratch:

If we constantly badger them, they will get their state counterpart to act on reports.

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #124 on: September 15, 2008, 08:12:46 PM »

Quote from: xr250dude
Blood sport would IMO encompass sport in which an animal is unfairly chased down, often forced to fight back, deliberately wounded then chased again before being killed. Fox hunting, bull fighting, rooster fighting and what have you would probably be in both our list. The Spanish would disagree though, for them it is cultural and the bull has a fighting chance at killing the Matador. Are you a Spaniard?

I draw the line at hunting and IMO hunting, of which spearfishing is a subset does not entail these elements. The chase is fair and there is no needless suffering, no over kill.


It is a blood sport alright. I've seen the fish wriggle & stress to wrestle free, with such an inherent instinct to survive, these poor fish have no chance against powerful pneumatic guns coupled with scuba advantage that cause devastating haemorrhage. At times when these fish are brought up alive, they make bone-chilling grunts as they fight for their last breath for more than an hour before dying. Wouldn't that constitute 'NEEDLESS SUFFERING?' How cruel is that???

One instructor shot a barracuda at 10metre depth but missed the vital point and the fish made a dash into the deep. The 2nd instructor managed to grab onto the tank valve of the 1st instructor but he too, got dragged along. Then the 3rd instructor saw what was happening, grabbed the 2nd instructor’s tank valve and all three of them got towed to 35 metres depth. By then, the barracuda could not tug at the three divers laden with weights and scuba tanks anymore and one could only imagine how it had to surrender its life to three buffoons who thought it was a manly sport to hunt using pneumatic guns and scuba. Well, the upside is, all three of them has retired from teaching.

Spearhunting in a marine park, is cowardly and dastardly as stewards of the reef like us who spend time ‘taming’ the fish, octopus, sharks in the vicinity have spent countless of dives and not to mention resources just so that divers can get to enjoy the marvel of marine interaction at any given dive site.

Have you ever had a Giant Grouper come out to greet you or allow you to photograph it at close range? Have you had octopuses that play games of give and take with its eight arms while you have two hands and bad coordination??? Have you ever encountered a Volkswagen-sized Napoleon Wrasse with eyes as big a saucer, come up to about 2 metres from you while you are documenting stuff on your slate, counting your discoveries, only to have the whole family of them come to check you out too???


Napoleon wrasses survive in a family. When the matriarch is taken out, the rest will just die.......an observation that we, several instructors who patronise Tenggol island, have observed after each time after a spearhunting takes place. We are fed up, picking up dead & floating wrasses with no apparent injuries. We are fed up because we have had to dive & wait for them to recognise us to come near AFTER HUNDREDS OF ATTEMPTS. We are fed up because they all have names & to see them die is something so excrutiatingly painful.

Here, just take a look at what a catch is all about. Then I'll leave it up to the rest to decide if it's a blood sport or not. The person in the picture has given his permission to publish this picture and he too, was an instructor who has now ceased his operation and his destructive practices in marine parks.




Spearfishing in Marine Park is a NO NO. Are they spearfishing for money? The person in picture do know about his target, and the fish, is a giant "Lou Shu Pan" a.k.a Kerapu Tikus looks so big and good...It is expensive in restaurant and very tasty... ;)
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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #125 on: September 15, 2008, 11:07:48 PM »

PHEW! :) :)



Uncle, people like us only spear something else.

Blackbear, hahaha. Now you know why my dive group is so small and closely-knitted.

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #126 on: September 15, 2008, 11:12:38 PM »

 :D :D :D *ditto* :D :D :D

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #127 on: September 16, 2008, 11:20:05 AM »

Spearfishing in Marine Park is a NO NO. Are they spearfishing for money? The person in picture do know about his target, and the fish, is a giant "Lou Shu Pan" a.k.a Kerapu Tikus looks so big and good...It is expensive in restaurant and very tasty... ;)


Hi evo, this is not a Lou Shu Pan aka Barramundi Cod but a Loong Dhan aka Grouper or Epinephelus sp. A barramundi cod looks like this:-



......and it's becoming rarer than jewels now. When you conduct a Reef Check, this specie will be listed in the Fish Transect to indicate the health of the reef if you do see one. A lot of marine fish are bio-indicators which divers fail to realise the detriment they can cause if they take them out immaturely. For instance,  groupers are protogynous hermaphrodites, having the female reproductive organs come to maturity before the male. When threatened or the male is taken out of the harem, the largest, most dominant female in the group will change sex to become a male.

When someone hunt on a reef, not only are the largest fish removed from the population, but the social/threat cues that trigger sex change are interrupted. Thus, fishing that concentrates on aggregations results in smaller fish with fewer eggs, and ultimately leads to loss of males. This is compounded by loss of fish that are changing sex because they act more like males than like females and are thus more vulnerable to capture. No males, no sex, no babies, no fish. Do we want that? Protecting males and grouper populations (or any big reef fish) in general should be profound because protecting males means protecting specific habitats where males reside, and because protecting populations involves protecting spawning sites. These sites often form the very heart of the marine parks.

Would this reason be justified enough to report hunters in our sanctuaries???

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #128 on: September 16, 2008, 12:28:35 PM »

Pummkin,

sorry sorry i made a mistake...it;s the big pappa in the grouper family called "long dan"...due to its size and very nice thick skin..Thanks... :D

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #129 on: September 16, 2008, 12:47:17 PM »

Pummkin,

sorry sorry i made a mistake...it;s the big pappa in the grouper family called "long dan"...due to its size and very nice thick skin..Thanks... :D


No worries, I myself mistake species sometimes! Colours are not accurate indicators, one must learn how to identify fins'/head shape & characteristics & locomotion. Next time if we do dive on the same trip, I'll conduct a crash course on Fish ID then.

I believe there are many people reading this thread who may not have encountered spearhunters but would like to know about the risks involved as a diver in their midst. If so, please voice your concern too. Never be afraid to ask questions because in cases like the ones I've mentioned in previous posts, ignorance is NOT bliss. The questions I asked then when I was a newbie seemed stupid to me now but how else do I learn if I don't ask? :)

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #130 on: September 16, 2008, 01:07:33 PM »

Spearfishing in Marine Park is a NO NO. Are they spearfishing for money? The person in picture do know about his target, and the fish, is a giant "Lou Shu Pan" a.k.a Kerapu Tikus looks so big and good...It is expensive in restaurant and very tasty... ;)


Hi evo, this is not a Lou Shu Pan aka Barramundi Cod but a Loong Dhan aka Grouper or Epinephelus sp. A barramundi cod looks like this:-



......and it's becoming rarer than jewels now. When you conduct a Reef Check, this specie will be listed in the Fish Transect to indicate the health of the reef if you do see one. A lot of marine fish are bio-indicators which divers fail to realise the detriment they can cause if they take them out immaturely. For instance,  groupers are protogynous hermaphrodites, having the female reproductive organs come to maturity before the male. When threatened or the male is taken out of the harem, the largest, most dominant female in the group will change sex to become a male.

When someone hunt on a reef, not only are the largest fish removed from the population, but the social/threat cues that trigger sex change are interrupted. Thus, fishing that concentrates on aggregations results in smaller fish with fewer eggs, and ultimately leads to loss of males. This is compounded by loss of fish that are changing sex because they act more like males than like females and are thus more vulnerable to capture. No males, no sex, no babies, no fish. Do we want that? Protecting males and grouper populations (or any big reef fish) in general should be profound because protecting males means protecting specific habitats where males reside, and because protecting populations involves protecting spawning sites. These sites often form the very heart of the marine parks.

Would this reason be justified enough to report hunters in our sanctuaries???


U can see this kerapu tikus in Borneo Marine Research Institute (BMRI) UMS, Sabah...they breed these fishes in tanks....research purposes...i however do not know the outcome....perhaps its been commercialize...perhaps not....

well .....back to spearfishing....
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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #131 on: September 16, 2008, 09:17:39 PM »

These are the fellas (those with spearguns and who use them) who should right put under ISA, not the journalist, politicians and bloggers.... :P :D :D :D

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #132 on: September 16, 2008, 10:28:50 PM »

These are the fellas (thoise with spearguns and who use them) who should right put under ISA, not the journalist, politicians and bloggers.... :P :D :D :D


Hmm...while I agree with your statement let us keep this forum apolitical, shall we? ;)

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #133 on: September 16, 2008, 11:15:21 PM »



 I like spearfishing my self... But not holding the net with full of death fish and other having fun holding spear..  I been follow by couple 3-4 mtr blacktip shark during the dives.. at North point of tioman.. since that Im never spearfishing for me.. [-( [-( [-( :$ :$

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #134 on: September 19, 2008, 10:29:27 AM »

Spearfishing = dangerous sport. And should be done away from any other diver not doing it.

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #135 on: February 09, 2010, 01:26:00 PM »

bump

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #136 on: April 30, 2010, 02:37:21 AM »

I would suggest that any incident of spearfishing in a Marine Park should be reported to the Marine Police, giving the name of the operator/boat registration etc etc. I used to dive in the Tioman/Permangil/Aur area in the period 85 to 95 and we would report any activity we saw.
The Marine Police did take action on a number of occasions. It's the only way to make a difference. Assuming they will do nothing is not a reason for our apathy.
If they have enough incidents of reported illegal activity they need to do something about it. Don't be put off if one report gets no activity.

In general I think it is pretty lame to spearfish with scuba gear, it's just too easy. The challenging way would be to free dive, but then only when there are no other people in the immediate vicinity, and NEVER in a Marine Park.

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Re: Spearfishing - what or where do we stand?
« Reply #137 on: November 26, 2010, 01:06:22 PM »

they spearfishing for fun... :angry4: :angry4: :angry4: :angry4: :angry4:..........it is still acceptable if it is for a living.....but NOT in Marine Parks.....