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Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« on: August 24, 2011, 09:21:11 PM »

Hey guys,

Just wanna ask and I probably know the answer already but I'm gonna ask anyway. Is it safe if I were to dive alone at a shore dive ..just metres away from the resort? I tell the DMs when I go, the time, the depth and when I am coming back. However, I still don't own a dive comp.

I've done 3 dives by myself so far. The max I went was 18-20metres then slowly came up. With no dive comp, I constantly looked at my gauge and used my Timex watch as a timer. I know it's silly.

Just so you guys know, I will be getting a dive comp before my next trip.

So, even with a dive comp, should I go for shore dives alone? Sometimes I want to do more than 3 boat dives a day and the DMs are probably really tired or teaching OW...and I don't want to inconvinience them. I have just over 100 dives so far.

I really enjoyed diving alone because of the solitude and the deep blue all to yourself....is just indescribable.

What do you guys think?
« Last Edit: August 24, 2011, 09:23:51 PM by toodus »

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2011, 10:14:41 PM »

Toodus, personally and professionally, I believe that is a dangerous act. Safety first, joys come later.

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2011, 10:38:50 PM »

I agree with Narco. Safety first. Diving without a buddy is extremely dangerous even at shallow depths or at very familiar dive sites. Secondly, it seems you have done quite a lot of diving, why not invest in a dive comp? I find it most useful especially monitoring ascent rates and bottom time.

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2011, 02:29:19 AM »

oopppssss....

notin wrong to dive alone (Independent Diver) as long u got the certification...
It's not illegal. There's just some charter companies that won't allow a independent dive (ID) even if you are independent diver certified. There's actually a certification from SSI (SSI Specialty Course Independent Diver) available for it. There are pros and cons to independent diving. As long as a independent dive is conducted by a ID certified diver, using the redundant equipment that independent diving entails, it can actually be SAFER than diving with a buddy. Why? The SSI Specialty ID course teaches you to be totally self reliant. There are a lot of times, when buddy diving, that buddy may as well not be there. Depending on that diver, he/she can actually be a danger to you as well. Many divers start a dive buddied up but you'll always get some bozo that wanders off or is so far away he may as well not be there. He's not being a buddy then and now what...you're basically on your own without the skills or equipment to get yourself out of a jam. If you were ID cert, no worries, you don't need that buddy to help you, you have the gear and skills to self rescue.
The cons? Unless you brought your camera, it's hard to share your dive. If you were dumb enough to ignore your independent training and have gotten yourself into a tight spot, you could be in trouble( having a buddy here may not help anyway). Your gear costs go up considerably since you need to be redundant.

to get more information about SSI Specialty Course Independent Diver, get to the nearest SSI facilities... or email at office@divessi-smt.com (SSI Area Office in Malaysia)
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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2011, 08:33:34 AM »

I really enjoyed diving alone because of the solitude and the deep blue all to yourself....is just indescribable.


I understand how you feel  :crybaby2:
often i will close my eyes and just listen to sound under the sea and sometime while
at 5m stop you get to do the safety stop accompanied by a group of batfish or a turtle or
a napolean wrasse or even a big dogtooth tuna (this one is a bit scary)
it is truely a wonderful moment.
 
 
What suhaimi is saying is also refers to as solo diving.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_diving
 
Once you take the course, you are certified solo diver. I dont see any problem with that.
You can choose TDI/SSI/SDI.

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2011, 08:34:20 AM »

Totally agree with Suhaimi :)
 
Nothing wrong with diving alone but you have to understand all the areas of risk. (Ignorance can be bliss...but extremely dangerous in Scuba diving.)
 
You will need redundant/spare equipment, emergency readiness training, etc, etc. SSI does have a great course for independant diving. (Shouldn't be saying so as a PADI instructor... ;) )
 
But you will need some form of certification as most dive centers may not entertain your "solo" diving request otherwise.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2011, 10:11:45 AM »

I know that PADI is also offering a specialty course on self diving. I think they named it Self Sufficient Diver or something. No doubt, one can do solo diving. But as for me, i would discourage it being done. It takes not just plenty of preparation and not also to mention some level of experience in doing so. Above all, one should understand the risk that they are taking by doing so.
 
However, i would also like to offer another perspective. As a diver, as much as i discourage diving alone, i also believe that a diver should be 'self-sufficient' and ready to be 'alone' although they were diving in groups. Yes, all of us are being thought to 'dive with a buddy'. But in most dives and in most occasions, divers ended up to be diving 'alone'. When you got lost, u are actually diving alone. When you venture a little further up/down and were separated from your buddy, then you are diving alone again. When you are trying to capture some images with your heavy duty underwater camera, you are also diving alone. So, one need to be highly skilled to handle themselves at all time.
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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2011, 10:45:47 AM »

Hi Toodus .Remember we are not fish. I personally knew some divers who love taking underwater pic. whom thinks they are fish . they just disappear on their own.   

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2011, 11:14:55 AM »

Hi Toodus .Remember we are not fish. I personally knew some divers who love taking underwater pic. whom thinks they are fish . they just disappear on their own.   


i likeeeeee.... :D

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2011, 11:19:12 AM »

I know that PADI is also offering a specialty course on self diving. I think they named it Self Sufficient Diver or something. No doubt, one can do solo diving. But as for me, i would discourage it being done. It takes not just plenty of preparation and not also to mention some level of experience in doing so. Above all, one should understand the risk that they are taking by doing so.
 
However, i would also like to offer another perspective. As a diver, as much as i discourage diving alone, i also believe that a diver should be 'self-sufficient' and ready to be 'alone' although they were diving in groups. Yes, all of us are being thought to 'dive with a buddy'. But in most dives and in most occasions, divers ended up to be diving 'alone'. When you got lost, u are actually diving alone. When you venture a little further up/down and were separated from your buddy, then you are diving alone again. When you are trying to capture some images with your heavy duty underwater camera, you are also diving alone. So, one need to be highly skilled to handle themselves at all time.


I've checked the PADI courses and my PADI instructor manual and don't see any "Self sufficient diver course"! I seriously doubt there is such a thing because the buddy system is ingrained into all PADI courses. (i.e. Buddy check, CESA, etc)

My personal opinion (Not PADIs) is that every diver should be prepared for instances as described by Narco above.

As PADI promotes a buddy system, most PADI divers don't seem to be able to handle getting lost UW, understanding their dive coms completely, trusting and using a compass UW correctly. (Other PADI instructors may say that this is covered in the course but my personal opinion is that these items are not covered to a depth where the diver can dive alone.)

So I repeat, just like you may like to drive long distances with a friend, driving alone is not illegal. Neither is diving alone.

Ask yourself these questions:

1. Do I have all the equipment to dive alone?
2. Do I know all the equipment needed to dive alone?
3. Do I know all the different emergencies that can occur UW and handle them alone?
4. If the viz, current and condition of the sea changes, do I have all the skills to handle them alone?

When your answer is YES to all of the above......you're ready....

Personally, My answer to all the questions above is still NO so I dive with my buddies....more fun too!!!

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2011, 11:41:09 AM »

Raise your hand if this has ever happened to you: You're on the dive boat, solo for whatever reason, and the divemaster pairs you up with a complete stranger who is newly certified. "You have to dive with a buddy," he insists, checking your names off on the clipboard and heading off to rig weight belts. "Besides, it's safer."

"OK, how bad can this be," you think, resolving to make the most of the situation. "I'll share my love of the sport with a new diver and it'll be a good experience for both of us. Right?" Then you glance over at your new buddy, who begins to put his gear on the tank upside down ... and backwards.


Reasons to Go Solo

The mandatory buddy system has been a part of diving from the earliest days of certification, but there's a logical flaw in this absolute rule--the assumption that both divers are well-matched and equally capable of helping each other. Unfortunately, this is rarely the case with a randomly assigned buddy.

When there is a mismatch, the experienced diver is unfairly saddled with supervising a less experienced diver. That's great for the beginner, but can the newbie reasonably assist the experienced diver in an emergency? Probably not. And if the experienced diver takes the buddy concept seriously, he can pretty much forget about any recreation on the dive. He'll be too busy serving as a substitute instructor to his buddy.

Increased safety and the freedom to actually enjoy the dive are two reasons experienced open water divers often seek solo diving certification. Though the concept is still controversial, experience has shown that properly trained and equipped solo divers are every bit as safe--if not safer--than divers unwillingly yoked together by an arcane rule.

Let's be clear: Solo diving doesn't mean abandoning your buddy at the first opportunity, nor does it mean "same ocean" buddy diving. Properly practiced, solo diving is a disciplined form of scuba rooted in careful planning and self-sufficiency. It requires more than antisocial tendencies. It requires the proper gear, training and attitude.


The Gear

Even the worst buddy serves at least one useful purpose: He carries an independent air supply and regulator you can use in case of emergency. As a solo diver, you'll need to carry your own air reserve, complete with redundant regulator.

The size of your "buddy in a bottle" will vary depending on depth and conditions. Compact and self-contained Spare Air systems are great for very shallow dives, but any dives you make deeper than 60 feet require an 18- to 30-cubic-foot pony bottle, with its own regulator and pressure gauge.

The nature of solo diving also demands that you carry a marker buoy or safety sausage, and a sonic alert device in case of surface emergencies. A dive knife is also a good idea in case you run into entanglements.

As a solo diver, you'll also need to make sure that all of your gear (regulators, BC, lights, etc.) is in top working order. Remember: You and you alone will have to deal with any problems that crop up under water.


The Training

When you begin solo diving certification, be ready to be humbled. The class starts with a rigorous skills check in which you'll have to demonstrate proficiency and comfort performing basic water skills including mask removal, regulator recovery, emergency ascents and superior buoyancy control.

If you pass the skills test (you might not; ask about refund policies in advance), you'll learn a new set of dive planning skills including how to estimate air consumption for a dive and how to rig an appropriate bailout system. Then you'll practice using the bailout until it becomes a reflexive reaction.

After that, you'll go on two of the toughest dives of your life. You'll have to complete detailed dive plans and run advanced navigation patterns--all while dealing effectively with a number of emergency scenarios visited upon you by your instructor. These simulated emergencies will start without any advance warning. You'll be expected to respond calmly and proficiently, without assistance. Finally, you will have to demonstrate the ability to swim 200 meters on the surface in full equipment, and at a reasonable pace.


The Attitude

To enroll in a solo certification class, you must be at least 21, have 100 or more properly logged dives and hold an advanced open water certification.

But just as important is the right attitude. The freedom of solo diving comes with responsibility--to assess the risks, to stay within your limits, and to take complete responsibility for your safety.


The End of Buddy Diving?

Will solo diving replace buddy diving? Of course not. In most situations and for most recreational divers, the buddy system makes sense--so long as both divers understand the buddy team concept is designed to combine their strengths, not compensate for their weaknesses.

Early dive training programs adopted the idea of a mandatory buddy system from swim training programs of the day. It made a lot of sense at the time, given that early scuba gear was far less reliable than it is today. However, divers were still trained to be self-sufficient in courses that were much more intense than today's typical certification class. Unfortunately, as equipment and training have evolved, the buddy system has become a crutch for many divers, rather than the safety net it was designed to be.

Solo diving is just another option for the advanced recreational diver. It's scarcely different from any other form of technical or specialty dive training in that it allows experienced divers the freedom and pleasure of exploring the sport to the fullest. Some divers who complete solo training never dive alone, but rather use the techniques and skills to be better buddies. Even more importantly, when these divers are accidentally separated from their buddies, solo training makes them less likely to become statistics in support of the buddy system.


For Card-Carrying Members of the Solo Diving Conspiracy

Q: Will my solo card be accepted by dive operators?

A: Maybe not. The buddy system is the status quo and many feel that it is the tried and proven system for safer diving.

A small, but growing number of operators recognize solo certification and allow solo dives with the appropriate equipment and the completion of a special solo diver release form. Some operators use their own form, but to be safe, you should bring your own standardized form.

SDI-certified solo divers can download a release form through the agency's web site. Print the form and carry it in your logbook, but wait to sign it. The operator will need to verify that your signature is real. Of course, it goes without saying that you should state your solo intentions when booking your dive trip to avoid confusion and disappointment upon arrival.

If your dive operator refuses to allow solo diving, you'll just have to grin and bear it--at least for now. Historically, recreational dive operators have been slow to embrace innovation. Nitrox, dive computers, BCs and SPGs were all first met with disapproval. Be a good sport, play by the rules of the buddy system and let your obvious competence speak for the virtues of self-sufficient diving. I predict that solo diving will soon gain wide acceptance. In fact, I'd bet my nitrox dive computer on it.


The Solo Debate

In the often heated debate over solo diving, both sides agree on one fact: The majority of dive accidents occur when buddies become separated.

Proponents of the buddy system use this fact to argue the simple logic that two divers are better able to handle problems than one. They also argue that diving is a social activity meant to be shared.

Proponents of solo diving, however, look at the statistics and ask a pointed question: If divers are more likely to be injured when they are inadvertently separated from their buddies, why not train them to be more self-sufficient? They also argue that divers should not be saddled with the responsibility for another diver's safety.

Who's right? That's for you to decide ( i really like this quote)
 
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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2011, 12:01:26 PM »

I agree with the four questions raised by Nanda666. Btw Nanda666 bro, could this self whatever Diver specialty is a new course by PADI. Seems like it was first introduced this August (http://www.divernet.com/Training/989534/padi_goes_solo.html). But please correct me if i'm wrong.

I don't get much chance to mix with divers from other agency. Thus, I can't compare. But i also notice most PADI divers are not fully prepared to handle themselves underwater. That includes me when i first started. Not unless one take his own initiative to read and do own research. I would love to see how other agencies train their newbie divers.

If one wanna dive, please dive responsibly. Diving without firm knowledge can cause danger not only to oneself, but also to others.
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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2011, 12:59:10 PM »

I've check for PADI "Self Reliant Diver" course (As per the attached article from Narco) on the PADI website, PADI Pro website and all my Instructor bulletins....hmmm.... [-(
 
Any other PADI pro seen this "Self Reliant Diver" course???
 
If nothing else....the fact that I will have to carry a pony bottle with it's independent reg for a dive more that 18m (60ft) does not interest me....I rather have my buddy carry that on his back!!! ;)
 
Not only that but if you include spare:
 
- Tank
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- SMB (Surface marker buoy)
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You're better off considering tech diving!! :P
 

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2011, 01:27:18 PM »

haha...why you need to dive alone at the first place, find a girl at the DC to dive with u, if nothing to see underwater at least u can watch the girl next to you, dive will be much more interesting with buddy or partner bro.....and something to talk about when u surface hehe..... :D

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2011, 02:18:54 PM »

haha...why you need to dive alone at the first place, find a girl at the DC to dive with u, if nothing to see underwater at least u can watch the girl next to you, dive will be much more interesting with buddy or partner bro.....and something to talk about when u surface hehe..... :D

I agree with you! More interesting maaa...hehe  ;)

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2011, 02:49:44 PM »

Thanks for the input guys. Really appreciate it.

Why I want to dive alone ?

1. Three boat dives mana cukup???
2. DMs and other divers are tired after 2 dives.
3. Taking a picture of a jawfish with eggs inside the mouth. Patience and can wait pretty long.

But overall, I just love diving.....


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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2011, 03:02:08 PM »

Nanda666, that sounds weird.. haha
 
Mamakpenang, that is so very true.. hehe

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2011, 03:21:47 PM »

haha...why you need to dive alone at the first place, find a girl at the DC to dive with u, if nothing to see underwater at least u can watch the girl next to you, dive will be much more interesting with buddy or partner bro.....and something to talk about when u surface hehe..... :D

 
Mamakpenang i m 120% agree with you haha.......

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2011, 03:54:57 PM »

Thanks for the input guys. Really appreciate it.

Why I want to dive alone ?

1. Three boat dives mana cukup???
2. DMs and other divers are tired after 2 dives.
3. Taking a picture of a jawfish with eggs inside the mouth. Patience and can wait pretty long.

But overall, I just love diving.....


Its time for you to mix with other divers. Your group is too leisure.
DM tired after 2 dives?!
Have you tried LOB?? unlimited dive. Just say the word "any diver want to go in some more?"
You will not dive alone :)

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2011, 10:35:34 AM »

yeap, toodus I love diving is because of the indescribable tranquility when it's you and the big deep blue. I oso understand the dangers of diving in unknown waters without an experience buddy.

suhaimi, could PM me the details of solo diving.

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2011, 11:09:51 PM »

Actually diving alone has its own advantages. You are more aware of your own safety compared diving with a buddy. And you know that you will not overdo yourselves because of this. However, not advisable for rookies.

I've done quite a number of solo dives and went through incidents, and alhamdulillah through my rigid safety measures ... i can say .. i dived safely solo.

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2011, 01:29:52 AM »

cayalah mamakpenang hahaha

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2011, 11:45:32 PM »

INDEPENDENT DIVER


TARGET AUDIENCE
The target audience is divers who are diving in buddy pairs but not necessarily diving in close proximity to their buddy and who may be pre-occupied with their current tasks, such as underwater photographers.

INTENT OF COURSE:
The intent of the Independent Diver course is to introduce those divers wishing to dive with less dependence on a dive buddy the skills and knowledge needed to do so with safety.
- This course must be taught with the student completely understanding that all skills taught must be proficient not just completed.
- All normal dive planning and Risk Awareness requirements must be undertaken.

Prerequisites & Certification

Prerequisites:
a. Be at least 18 years old.
b. Logged at least 100 open water dives totaling 75 hours or more
c. Have a Total Diving System of professional type and quality.
d. Certified in Stress and Rescue

Certification: After participation in the Independent Diver program, an Independent Diver may dive without a buddy but must have permission to do so from the Dive Supervisor in charge of that activity prior to the dive.

Essential Equipment
•   SMB
•   Lift bag
•   Reel
•   Compass
•   Knife
•   Pony bottle, SPG and Regulators
•   Computer
•   Back up timing device

Redundant equipment:
•   Mask (cleaned)
•   Reel
•   Buoyancy
•   Regulators
•   Air
•   Depth gauge and timer
•   Equipment: During the Independent Diver Program, students are required to have the same equipment that is required of student divers in other  programs and must own and use the following additional equipment
•   Redundant air system
•   Alternate ascent system
•   Redundant dive computer Essential equipment and redundant equipment requirements:
o   Air and regulators
o   SMB or Lift Bag
o   Reels with minimum 30meters line
o   Secondary Mask
o   Dive Slate, 2 pencil and eraser

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2011, 02:51:31 PM »

buddy system.. hmm.. so far in my experience, a lot of divers dont care abt this, and all just do their own thing. only DMs and instructors will look out for the group.


for the good and bad, i do enjoy the buddy system. but on those times when we get separated, i'd just go on by myself and do my own thing first before surfacing at the appropriate time. and for shore dive - i dont think it be a problem to just head back to the beach esp if the bearings have been ok.

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2011, 04:42:47 PM »

but on those times when we get separated, i'd just go on by myself and do my own thing first before surfacing at the appropriate time. and for shore dive - i dont think it be a problem to just head back to the beach esp if the bearings have been ok.


It truly amazes me that divers are still saying stuff as above. Aren't you suppose to look for your buddy for a minute and begin to exit if you don't find him???? How are you guys trained??????
Do you even know the hazards of being underwater alone?????? pls read the post above to understand what solo diving is and all the equipment and training that needs to go along with it.

I've experienced losing a buddy and when everyone surfaces and he's nowhere in sight.....it is a really really SICK feeling!!!!

I've experienced a buddy grabbing my fin just before he almost passed out due to exhaustion fighting a strong current. He wouldn't be alive today if his "buddy" was not there!!

So if any of you like to dive alone, by all means do....but do get trained properly before doing it!! Don't dive with a buddy and go solo half way.........it's really a crappy thing to do!!!

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2011, 05:00:17 PM »

nanda666 i know for an instructor it is sick to learn such things but i think ericcc has been doing this for certain time and perhaps with the same buddy. To him it is nothing at all. To his buddy the same feeling too.

You can only teach what is right to do but the rest is up to the diver themselves. We are responsible with our own lives.
I understand your frustration but you just have to suck it up and hopes your student will learn by the book.

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Re: Diving Alone At Shore Dive
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2011, 11:17:08 AM »

I have been diving alone more than 90% of the time for more than 3 years around Perhentian....no doubt  it would be better if you have a buddy..but if you take all the safety precautions I guess it is not that dangerous..My equipments are complete....including a 40 footer fishing boat, a 27 footer Speed boat (115HP), tanks, dive comp...and a New Bauer Dive Compressor.  I usually dive to help Fishermen to inspect their artificial reefs (unjangs),  searching for lost equipments(such as anchors) and fish cages (bubus).  For safety I only dive during current free times, yes it is possible to dive hours without worrying about water currents if you know when to dive.  Please contact me if you want to "fun" or "adventure" dive...there are plenty of shipwrecks and artificial reefs around Kuala Besut!!