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SilverFox · « **on:** January 11, 2008, 10:40:29 AM »

Resort was not even bothered to clean up the mess !!! Not from them so why bother... yes it is Mataking (Mataking Kecil )

How can people not make it to the garbage bins..... do you not have legs and a brain.. seems not...!!

Cher · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2008, 11:18:53 AM »

OMG! Is zat Mataking??? What telah happen to that beautiful resort??!!!!

nanda666 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2008, 11:28:49 AM »

Hmmmm.....just saw some very different Mataking photos..very recently...

Thanks silverfox......at least some photographers are using their cameras to highlight the need to "Save Our Ocean & Reefs Thru Photography!"

Ed_Dman · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2008, 11:42:46 AM »

Quote from: nanda666 on January 11, 2008, 11:28:49 AM

Hmmmm.....just saw some very different Mataking photos..very recently...

Thanks silverfox......at least some photographers are using their cameras to highlight the need to "Save Our Ocean & Reefs Thru Photography!"

Nanda! Are you a man or a troll? Be man (or even troll) enough to just mention my name, that you're referring to me. FYI, I didn't even walk to Mataking Kecil so I don't really know, there's so much garbage there and I don't think the other shots are from there. Do you know that water runs through between Mataking & Mataking Kecil, during high tide? That means, most of the garbage seen might not be from there, they might be from mainland or somewhere nearby (except for that big "washing machine"). Let me see, how many tides are there in one day or a week or a month or a year? Hmm...

Anyway, I think it's a waste of my time explaining to a troll. Your nick explains it all. Nanda666 (Nanda koitsu baka da, if you can even understand what I'm saying?). :p

Ed.

nanda666 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2008, 11:56:43 AM »

Ed...pls don't get sensitive.....in is merely my opinion on how some people choose to see what we want to see.

You are not wrong or even being victimised.

It is just my humble opinion that most of us care more about personal stuff rather than about others.

For instance, some may look at those shots and say...."let's clean this mess up regardless of who or what caused it!!" and others may say, "Who threw this here??? They should be responsible. It's the tide, Etc.

All i was saying is that conservation starts when we look to help and not to blame.

No heated, aggresive debates required to make an educated point, my friend.

On another note, if anyone interested in cleaning up that mess...let me know....ready to help!!

SilverFox · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2008, 12:06:20 PM »

Why do people always try to find an excuse for why the rubbish might be in a place, YES it is more than likely not from the Resort, I have never said it was, and YES it is more than likely from the mainland or a passing boat / ship or or or... and ... so F.......ng what. An effort should be made to clean it up lah.. that is all.. and YES the other photo's are NOT from Mataking but from Redang if you must know.....and i have plenty more to show from other Islands of Peninsula Malaysia...... i think a "junk" fund should be started and then used by the divers to go to the various islands for clean up days... and before everybody jumps onto my back to say this is already done, YES i know but it is not done often enough and it is to isolated............ AND this is my opinion only which hopefully i am entitled to.....

nanda666 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2008, 12:21:26 PM »

hmmm...why not check and "clean-up" dive as first dive? (at any resort that requires check dives.)

And on trips that we can't dive on the last day (No fly time) we do land/beach clean-up on the last day too???

Like I've said before...let's start small....

sheik · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2008, 12:23:57 PM »

Quote from: nanda666 on January 11, 2008, 12:21:26 PM

hmmm...why not check and "clean-up" dive as first dive? (at any resort that requires check dives.)

And on trips that we can't dive on the last day (No fly time) we do land/beach clean-up on the last day too???

Like I've said before...let's start small....

this is a good idea!
can't wait for the season to start, especially the no-fly time.

Ed_Dman · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2008, 12:25:47 PM »

Quote from: nanda666 on January 11, 2008, 11:56:43 AM

Ed...pls don't get sensitive.....in is merely my opinion on how some people choose to see what we want to see.

You are not wrong or even being victimised.

It is just my humble opinion that most of us care more about personal stuff rather than about others.

For instance, some may look at those shots and say...."let's clean this mess up regardless of who or what caused it!!" and others may say, "Who threw this here??? They should be responsible. It's the tide, Etc.

All i was saying is that conservation starts when we look to help and not to blame.

No heated, aggresive debates required to make an educated point, my friend.

On another note, if anyone interested in cleaning up that mess...let me know....ready to help!!

No worries! I'm not that sensitive, it's a good topic and I'm not anyhow offended by it.

Ed.

Ed_Dman · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2008, 12:38:06 PM »

Quote from: SilverFox on January 11, 2008, 12:06:20 PM

Why do people always try to find an excuse for why the rubbish might be in a place, YES it is more than likely not from the Resort, I have never said it was, and YES it is more than likely from the mainland or a passing boat / ship or or or... and ... so F.......ng what. An effort should be made to clean it up lah.. that is all.. and YES the other photo's are NOT from Mataking but from Redang if you must know.....and i have plenty more to show from other Islands of Peninsula Malaysia...... i think a "junk" fund should be started and then used by the divers to go to the various islands for clean up days... and before everybody jumps onto my back to say this is already done, YES i know but it is not done often enough and it is to isolated............ AND this is my opinion only which hopefully i am entitled to.....

Well said, but not the cursing though!
Let put it this way. I've organized UW Clean-Ups before (few years back), but after thinking about it, I stopped. It's no point to continuously do clean ups, if people kept throwing rubbish everywhere. How much can we (divers) keep cleaning up? Today we clean them up, tomorrow there'll be more. I think it's better to educate the public not to throw rubbish into the ocean or anywhere else, rather than keep cleaning after them. Example: Instead of going for the pirated DVD peddlers, why not educate the public to stop buying. The authority can catch 100 peddlers today, but there'll be 1000 more tomorrow, if we kept buying. That's why I decided to do UWP, so that i can educate the public, the beauty of the UW world which GOD has created. Hoping that they'll understand the importance of our ocean and reefs. If they know what lies beneath, than they might try to conserve and tell others to stop throwing rubbish into the ocean or anywhere else. That's just my opinion!

Ed.

karip · « **Reply #10 on:** January 11, 2008, 12:52:23 PM »

Quote from: Ed_Dman on January 11, 2008, 12:38:06 PM

Quote from: SilverFox on January 11, 2008, 12:06:20 PM
Why do people always try to find an excuse for why the rubbish might be in a place, YES it is more than likely not from the Resort, I have never said it was, and YES it is more than likely from the mainland or a passing boat / ship or or or... and ... so F.......ng what. An effort should be made to clean it up lah.. that is all.. and YES the other photo's are NOT from Mataking but from Redang if you must know.....and i have plenty more to show from other Islands of Peninsula Malaysia...... i think a "junk" fund should be started and then used by the divers to go to the various islands for clean up days... and before everybody jumps onto my back to say this is already done, YES i know but it is not done often enough and it is to isolated............ AND this is my opinion only which hopefully i am entitled to.....

Well said, but not the cursing though!
Let put it this way. I've organized UW Clean-Ups before (few years back), but after thinking about it, I stopped. It's no point to continuously do clean ups, if people kept throwing rubbish everywhere. How much can we (divers) keep cleaning up? Today we clean them up, tomorrow there'll be more. I think it's better to educate the public not to throw rubbish into the ocean or anywhere else, rather than keep cleaning after them. Example: Instead of going for the pirated DVD peddlers, why not educate the public to stop buying. The authority can catch 100 peddlers today, but there'll be 1000 more tomorrow, if we kept buying. That's why I decided to do UWP, so that i can educate the public, the beauty of the UW world which got has created. Hoping that they'll understand the importance of our ocean and reefs. If they know what lies beneath, than they might try to conserve and tell others to stop throwing rubbish into the ocean or anywhere else. That's just my opinion!

Ed.

quite a nice topic..having this conversation with EMar yesterday as we were going back from the "pain" ~~in the~~ ball activity..we notice they don't put garbage bin that many over there..n that maybe a reason why ppl is littering..why dont we'll find sponsor for garbage bins?
my 0.00001yen opinion..

ScubaBunny · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2008, 01:02:37 PM »

All the above are correct.

Short term = clean ups
Long term = education

Start with fellow diver frens, dont be surprise if some divers are as ignorant too

. I have dived with litter bugs and Ive done my part in 'educating' them. So do you bid and it will be a nicer place to live and dive in.

The worst thing is just not doing anything. Just me humble opinion.

nanda666 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2008, 01:13:07 PM »

so...can I ask the following without upsetting anyone

1. Are the photos being circulated in schools in Terengganu? Kelantan?
2. Are they being circulated outside the diving community?
3. If the theory of "Photography saving wildlife" is true, shouldn't the massive amount of photos of lions and tigers help to save them??? Silverback gorrillas?? Pandas??

I'm totally convinced that "A picture speaks a thousands words". The question is...what picture? Honest truth..the following pictures really got to me on this forum:

1. Some shots of dead turtles being offloaded by the police in Sabah.
2. Silverfox shots here.
3. sharkfins on a jetty somewhere.

So...I'm just not interested in listening to theoretical ideas of conservation when the practicality is not considered. (Sorry la....engineers mentality...or that what my wife says!!

)

Where I'm coming from is....practically....20 underwater shots from anyone of Sipadan, Redang, etc...... and I'll be convinced that Malaysian Underwater world is worth saving............then what???
What is another 2000 shots and 300 albums gonna do to help conservation causes?????

pls note that this is not the case if someone says they like taking photos and wanna make money from each shot,keep fortheir personal collection, etc. (they are not part of this discussion as I do not count on them to help save the planet!!)

So come on guys, let's get real and be real to ourselves too.

I've thrown some cigarrette butts into the sea too.....guilty as charged..but I accept that it's not the best behavior but it was the easiest thing at that time.

I've accidentally crashed into some coral while trying to get the right angle on a shot....who hasn't???

But if there are decent suggestions here to help give back something to the underwater world/beaches of Malaysia..and cost nothing but our "No fly time"...cannot ah??

yup....will give you guys some updates on the education part soon. (Prof. Chan in Redang is doing some good work!! Will keep you guys posted)

IkanBilis · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2008, 01:20:02 PM »

MUW, ScubaDynamics, Scubatex, etc. etc. and everyone in the industry should do a bit of public service. Ideas includes:

- Message like : SAVE OUR ENVIRONMENT, DON'T THROW RUBBISH EVERYWHERE! Or USE PROPER BINS TO THROW RUBBISH, or PLASTIC BAGS KILLS TURTLES, or something to that effect should be printed on our famous stickers, T-Shirts or banners, not so prominently if u prefer, but at least something is being done to remind people.
We wear our NITROX, or MUW or diveshops t-shirt proudly and we stick our stickers everywhere, but its only for our own personal glory. Maybe its time for us to pay back..

- Print banners, bunting or even plaques to be placed in Diveboats, Diveshops, Resorts, Jettys, reminding the public in many languages the need to throw rubbish in the proper bins or bags. U can put your logos etc "This public service message is sponsored by <your organization>.

- Dive operators, pirate or otherwise should make the effort to impose rules on everyone onboard to keep their rubbish until they can be thrown in proper bins. Make public announcements in ferrys and tranports directed to their dive group, but actually also directed to everyone onboard if other parties are there too. At least dive operators and divers are being seen and heard to be conserving the environment they enjoy together.

- DM and Dive operators should organize "Rubbish collection time" during SIT in resorts, and encourage everyone, including resort operators, other holidaymakers to join in. Include this education when teaching your OWD students as part of your teaching program.

- These are some of the things I can suggest, maybe more suggestions can thought of by others. I for one would be willing to pay a bit more for our t-shirts or stickers if it means helping to protect the environment. We can talk and take as many pictures as we can to create the awareness, but if we are not willing to dirty our hands picking up the rubbish, then we are as guilty as the people who throw them around.

nanda666 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 11, 2008, 01:26:00 PM »

Well said!!!

My wife runs the turtle conservation program in Perhentian, Reef conservation in Tioman and Orangutan conservation in Sarawak....and she's from Ireland !!!!

Haiyo!!! I shy la!!! ...So let start doing some of the thing listed above.....

ScubaBunny · « **Reply #15 on:** January 11, 2008, 01:42:27 PM »

My suggestion to little things dat common divers can do:

1) Bring your own garbage bag if you require to consume and throw things during your dive.
2) Picking up rubish when you see it
3) Do : See evil tell evil.. Dont : see no evil say no evil - even if you may sound kiasu later on..
4) Buy and support conservation efforts. (t-shirts, stickers)
5) dont buy items you dont need.
6) Buy in bulk, when packaging items are reduced, garbage too will reduce.
7) When ever possible consume biodegradable products (consider packaging stuff shld be biodegradable also)

M not talking about the bigger stuff like going to school, education lah..Start small, start from yourself. The above is what I can do and diligently (mostly) do to help the enviroment. I know we all not superheros so, start with what YOU can do. Rather start big and never finish what you should be doing.

If 1 + 1 = 2.. then the posibility of 1+1 = infinate is very near.. (caffine talking..

)

ikan · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2008, 01:45:12 PM »

I would like to comment on the usage of rubbish bins.

Why do we need so many rubbish bins? So people can throw away 'THEIR' rubbish and pass the bucks to somebody else to deal with it. Why dont we ourselves deal with it? The simple concept of bringing out what you brought in.

Water is very important to every diver. But how many of us here do bring their own container when u go on diving trip? What do you do before boarding the boat? Buy a lot of bottled water ... and do u see them bringing out these same bottle when they board the boat o their way back?

With regards to foreigner running the conservation program here, have u seen what happen in their own country? Have u seen how CERTAIN people react when dealing with local as compared to FOREIGNERS (dont have to go far, yesterday paintball session was a good example. Did anybody notice?)? Did u see what happen when the government try to outsource to a third party (read : local) to run a conservation program?
Do you realize what certain body (read : foreign) is doing when they got the advantage of running a so called conservation program here in Malaysia?

... Mentality need to be change.

Ed_Dman · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2008, 01:46:36 PM »

Nanda! Hehe... You're funny! You should read more carefully lah. Nobody is saying that you cannot do clean ups, you can. Just like what ScubaBunny posted, "Short term - Clean Ups & Long term - Education". I believe both will work, like I said I've organized clean ups before. i just chose to educate the public more, rather than cleaning up after them. Each person have their ways of doing things, as long as it brings good results. You do your part and I'll do my part!

However, one can't say that the resorts or operators are not doing anything. Have to be fair to them too, as the media tends to highlight interesting stuff (bad media), rather than uninteresting (good media). Just look at the newspaper, you'll see more bad news rather than good ones. Example: One protest or riot, all the medias will be highlighting it. we as Malaysians have been living in harmony for decades, that is hardly emphasized (except on special occasions). I know of some resorts which have spent lots of money doing clean ups and conservations.

Anyway, we should not be criticizing each others. One can do what, he/she thinks will be of help and can improve the situation. One can't say it's the best or only way! Just my opinion!

Ed.

PS. I surely did not throw that big washing machine there!

nanda666 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2008, 01:49:31 PM »

Quote from: ikan on January 11, 2008, 01:45:12 PM

With regards to foreigner running the conservation program here, have u seen what happen in their own country? Have u seen how CERTAIN people react when dealing with local as compared to FOREIGNERS (dont have to go far, yesterday paintball session was a good example. Did anybody notice?)? Did u see what happen when the government try to outsource to a third party (read : local) to run a conservation program?
Do you realize what certain body (read : foreign) is doing when they got the advantage of running a so called conservation program here in Malaysia?

... Mentality need to be change.

Not clear la....can elaborate??

nanda666 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2008, 01:57:14 PM »

Quote from: nanda666 on January 11, 2008, 01:13:07 PM

1. Are the photos being circulated in schools in Terengganu? Kelantan?
2. Are they being circulated outside the diving community?
3. If the theory of "Photography saving wildlife" is true, shouldn't the massive amount of photos of lions and tigers help to save them??? Silverback gorrillas?? Pandas??

Where I'm coming from is....practically....20 underwater shots from anyone of Sipadan, Redang, etc...... and I'll be convinced that Malaysian Underwater world is worth saving............then what???
What is another 2000 shots and 300 albums gonna do to help conservation causes?????

Ed, I merely asking answers to the questions above on photography and it's relationship to conservation.....just 4 simple questions. (Based on your tag line)

SilverFox · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2008, 02:06:38 PM »

People, all of you have very valid ideas and very good intentions. (Let us try and keep polotics out of this one please...). The burning question is who will spear head the mamoth task, and it is as Ed and others have pointed out.

BUT if we all do our little bit it all ads up to a big bit, and i will add i have seen both improvements in places and sorry to say a decline in others. (i have only been here for 5 years so i have not been around in this dive scene for that long, so i am sure a lot of you can make a lot more comments on this ...) We as divers MUST do our bit as suggested by most of you, i believe that each serious DS / DC needs to take the level of awareness up 5 notches or so as they see a lot of trade and newcomers to the game. As for those with kids at school, why not try to go to one of the open days and have an awareness day or something similar...

IF we (AS DIVERS OR NATURE LOVERS OR ISLAND GOWERS) give up on doing our little bit of clean up every time we go it will be a sad day...... I am very skeptical that an overall clean up our beaches / sea committe will ever come about, so let us do our bit every time, each time and all the time we go to some of the BEST ISLANDS and DIVE SITES IN THE WORLD..... We have it on our doorstep...... keep it clean when we can and educate whenever you can.....

nanda666 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 11, 2008, 02:10:08 PM »

I totally agree!!!!!

itikuek · « **Reply #22 on:** January 11, 2008, 02:44:33 PM »

Quote from: nanda666 on January 11, 2008, 01:13:07 PM

so...can I ask the following without upsetting anyone

1. Are the photos being circulated in schools in Terengganu? Kelantan?
2. Are they being circulated outside the diving community?
3. If the theory of "Photography saving wildlife" is true, shouldn't the massive amount of photos of lions and tigers help to save them??? Silverback gorrillas?? Pandas??

I'm totally convinced that "A picture speaks a thousands words". The question is...what picture? Honest truth..the following pictures really got to me on this forum:

1. Some shots of dead turtles being offloaded by the police in Sabah.
2. Silverfox shots here.
3. sharkfins on a jetty somewhere.

So...I'm just not interested in listening to theoretical ideas of conservation when the practicality is not considered. (Sorry la....engineers mentality...or that what my wife says!! )

Where I'm coming from is....practically....20 underwater shots from anyone of Sipadan, Redang, etc...... and I'll be convinced that Malaysian Underwater world is worth saving............then what???
What is another 2000 shots and 300 albums gonna do to help conservation causes?????

pls note that this is not the case if someone says they like taking photos and wanna make money from each shot,keep fortheir personal collection, etc. (they are not part of this discussion as I do not count on them to help save the planet!!)

So come on guys, let's get real and be real to ourselves too.

I've thrown some cigarrette butts into the sea too.....guilty as charged..but I accept that it's not the best behavior but it was the easiest thing at that time.

I've accidentally crashed into some coral while trying to get the right angle on a shot....who hasn't???

But if there are decent suggestions here to help give back something to the underwater world/beaches of Malaysia..and cost nothing but our "No fly time"...cannot ah??

yup....will give you guys some updates on the education part soon. (Prof. Chan in Redang is doing some good work!! Will keep you guys posted)

From what i know, our little ocean is still ok. I think it should be distributed at the curve, hartamas square or in any place in klang valley. They should be educate first for polluting the klang river. tq

Ed_Dman · « **Reply #23 on:** January 11, 2008, 02:46:01 PM »

Well said, SilverFox!

If we as divers can't stand together, how are we going to stand against others or the public? I do my part and you do your part, I'm sure we can educate and make our islands or reefs cleaner!

Happy Diving & Keep Those Bubbles Flowing!

Ed.

PS. Nanda - Btw, where are you from? Hometown I mean? Just curious (no bad intention)!

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #24 on:** January 11, 2008, 02:53:25 PM »

I would go with what BubbleBunny has said - start with ourselves first. Unfortunately, as idealist as we all want to become, not all visitors to islands are divers, and in turn, not all divers are conservationists.

To me, it all boils down to one thing: education - both formal and informal. Informal education is most important. So if you have kids, teach them not to throw rubbish around.

As for organising beach clean ups for divers during SIT, let us be reminded that these are paying customers, most are walk-ins. You can't say to them, "Okay guys, while waiting for you to off-gas, let's walk under the hot sun and clean up the beach." Then some kid, after a hot day's kayaking with his dad, throws his ice cream wrapper on the very beach you have just cleaned up.

Let's face it: what would be the first question a diver would ask when being told "COT Clean Up - RM250 only all in!"?

First answer would be: HOW MANY DIVES DO I GET TO DO?

When they get the figure, they divide to find out the average cost of a COT Clean Up dive as opposed to going to Redang or Sipadan to do the same number of dives.

The second question would be: CAN WE DO COT CLEAN UP AT TOKONG LAUT? (if in Perhentian) When really the organisers want you to dive at Shark's Point, or even in front of Fauna in Teluk Dalam.

That goes back to attitude.

You cannot change attitudes overnight. It has to come from the education background - both formal and informal. You still find pHD holders who spit on the sidewalks, or rinse their mouth while washing their hands in a hotel coffee house.

We have 1500 members. If we believe in CHANGING THE WORLD WITH ONE PERSON AT A TIME, then we would change another 1500 people in a short time.

Be realistic, start small.

Cher · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2008, 03:13:18 PM »

Quote from: karip on January 11, 2008, 12:52:23 PM

Quote from: Ed_Dman on January 11, 2008, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: SilverFox on January 11, 2008, 12:06:20 PM
Why do people always try to find an excuse for why the rubbish might be in a place, YES it is more than likely not from the Resort, I have never said it was, and YES it is more than likely from the mainland or a passing boat / ship or or or... and ... so F.......ng what. An effort should be made to clean it up lah.. that is all.. and YES the other photo's are NOT from Mataking but from Redang if you must know.....and i have plenty more to show from other Islands of Peninsula Malaysia...... i think a "junk" fund should be started and then used by the divers to go to the various islands for clean up days... and before everybody jumps onto my back to say this is already done, YES i know but it is not done often enough and it is to isolated............ AND this is my opinion only which hopefully i am entitled to.....

Well said, but not the cursing though!
Let put it this way. I've organized UW Clean-Ups before (few years back), but after thinking about it, I stopped. It's no point to continuously do clean ups, if people kept throwing rubbish everywhere. How much can we (divers) keep cleaning up? Today we clean them up, tomorrow there'll be more. I think it's better to educate the public not to throw rubbish into the ocean or anywhere else, rather than keep cleaning after them. Example: Instead of going for the pirated DVD peddlers, why not educate the public to stop buying. The authority can catch 100 peddlers today, but there'll be 1000 more tomorrow, if we kept buying. That's why I decided to do UWP, so that i can educate the public, the beauty of the UW world which got has created. Hoping that they'll understand the importance of our ocean and reefs. If they know what lies beneath, than they might try to conserve and tell others to stop throwing rubbish into the ocean or anywhere else. That's just my opinion!

Ed.

quite a nice topic..having this conversation with EMar yesterday as we were going back from the "pain" ~~in the~~ ball activity..we notice they don't put garbage bin that many over there..n that maybe a reason why ppl is littering..why dont we'll find sponsor for garbage bins?
my 0.00001yen opinion..

True! I was searching for a bin at Isirimba to throw my milo ais plastic bag and I cldnt find any.. so i tossed it in my school bag, and finally buang at home. Perhaps the orgyniser (or someone who know the owner could drop a suggestion to the management) on this. Having said that, I love love the place..

On the topic litter bugs - It's all education... no point educating the kids at school if the parents dont show good example....... so must educate the adults too.......

nanda666 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2008, 03:16:08 PM »

Quote from: Ed_Dman on January 11, 2008, 02:46:01 PM

PS. Nanda - Btw, where are you from? Hometown I mean? Just curious (no bad intention)!

from klang.

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2008, 03:19:11 PM »

Quote from: Chewi on January 11, 2008, 03:13:18 PM

True! I was searching for a bin at Isirimba to throw my milo ais plastic bag and I cldnt find any.. so i tossed it in my school bag, and finally buang at home. Perhaps the orgyniser (or someone who know the owner could drop a suggestion to the management) on this. Having said that, I love love the place..

On the topic litter bugs - It's all education... no point educating the kids at school if the parents dont show good example....... so must educate the adults too.......

Isirimba has that "bring your rubbish back" policy. It was mentioned during the briefing.

Cher · « **Reply #28 on:** January 11, 2008, 03:21:27 PM »

Quote from: SeaDemon on January 11, 2008, 03:19:11 PM

Quote from: Chewi on January 11, 2008, 03:13:18 PM

True! I was searching for a bin at Isirimba to throw my milo ais plastic bag and I cldnt find any.. so i tossed it in my school bag, and finally buang at home. Perhaps the orgyniser (or someone who know the owner could drop a suggestion to the management) on this. Having said that, I love love the place..

On the topic litter bugs - It's all education... no point educating the kids at school if the parents dont show good example....... so must educate the adults too.......

Isirimba has that "bring your rubbish back" policy. It was mentioned during the briefing.

Oh is it? Wooops, I wasnt at the briefing and didnt see no sign oso.. how wld public know about it.. The only sign I saw was on "you are an uninvited guest.. something something.."

karip · « **Reply #29 on:** January 11, 2008, 03:22:26 PM »

Quote from: SeaDemon on January 11, 2008, 03:19:11 PM

Quote from: Chewi on January 11, 2008, 03:13:18 PM

True! I was searching for a bin at Isirimba to throw my milo ais plastic bag and I cldnt find any.. so i tossed it in my school bag, and finally buang at home. Perhaps the orgyniser (or someone who know the owner could drop a suggestion to the management) on this. Having said that, I love love the place..

On the topic litter bugs - It's all education... no point educating the kids at school if the parents dont show good example....... so must educate the adults too.......

Isirimba has that "bring your rubbish back" policy. It was mentioned during the briefing.

hee true bro..but i dont think most ppl who came just for the stream really knows about that..