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Where have the turtles gone
« on: June 16, 2010, 05:11:17 PM »

Recently Ketamnette got a request by WWF to increase our yearly contribution and one of the highlighted project is the turtle conservation....

But on our recent visit to KB we saw that the selling of turtle eggs are still rampant and the Makcik was even saying that there are more turtle egss thus the price have gone down to 3 for RM 10.....

Conservation may have improved so the market adjusted.....  :$ :$ :$ :$ :$






















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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 07:15:16 PM »

Too bad its legal to sell these.

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 10:48:58 AM »

Is it legal to do so? Me confuse now.. isn't it suppose to be illegal bros?

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 05:29:51 PM »

Ketam believe it is legal or at least controlled.... Ketam's thought is that if there is a conservation program for turtles why is it on sale

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 06:02:41 PM »

Correct me if im wrong.

I've been engaged with UMT's professors and students during my last company trip.

One of the professor appears to be *Penghulu* of Chagar Hutang, which is Redang's Turtle Santuary beach.

My memory is blurry, but if im not mistaken, what i understand from her is that:

Government give out license for people to collect turtle eggs, if anyone were to take away the eggs from the beach, they have to pay to the licensed collector.

2008, government declared Chagar Hutang as turtle santuary, therefore, no collectors were allowed to collect eggs from this place.

Before 2008, UMT's turtle conservation programs spent hundred thousands of ringgit to buy turtle eggs from these collectors to conserve turtles. (So inspirational)

Eggs that are collected from these collectors will be sold to pakcik makcik at pasar, to be sold off as daily food.

Collectors sell eggs to pakcik makcik RM1~2 each. (Thats about RM100~200 each NEST!)

pakcik makcik sell to public for RM3 each.

Again! Correct me if im wrong! =)

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 06:58:33 PM »

Thanks eddy for the info....

Are turtles an endangered species?

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2010, 08:46:13 PM »

i believe that only applies to chagar hutang. that's why u can see them eggs still being sold ..

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2010, 10:18:20 PM »

I believe that applies to all island in east peninsular. Not sure though.

@Ketam
There are quite a few species of sea turtle.
To the extend of my knowledge, there are olive ridly, hawksbill, green and leatherback turtles.

The one that is common at Chagar Hutang is green, followed by hawksbill and oliveridly.

Leatherback turtles are only seen at Rantau Abang though, the reason behind it (according to UMT's professor) is that leatherbacks tends to lay eggs at beaches with deep waters.

According to wikipedia, they are classified as endangered, and leatherbacks are classified as critically endangered!

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 12:21:04 AM »

Have seen green turtles and a few times the Hawksbill. Ketam guess that the collection of turtle eggs and their sale will continue. But now rethinking whether the support of turtle conservation is in vain.

hmmmnn thats Malaysia for you.  [-( [-( [-(

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2010, 08:29:09 AM »

Hmm.. poor turtles.. what can MUW do?

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2010, 10:12:46 AM »

taken from the wwf malaysia news bulletin http://www.wwf.org.my/media_and_information/newsroom_main/?10200/Launch-of-WWF-Malaysias-EggLife-Advocacy-Campaign dated january 2010.


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“Following WWF-Malaysia’s assessment of various State Laws regulating turtles currently, and from our experience through on the ground projects, we find the laws inadequate and limited in scope. For example, State laws do not impose a total ban on the sale and consumption of eggs of all marine turtle species found in the State. State laws are also not uniform, and to make matters worse, not enforceable outside of that State. Additionally, the laws have poor and undeveloped provisions relating to the protection of turtle habitats and lack prescription for an overall management regime for these endangered species. In addition to the State laws regulating turtles, not all States have placed turtle protection and conservation as a priority.”

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2010, 10:01:09 PM »

Quite an accurate assessment. Too bad falling on deaf ears.

Thanks for the info Tulip.

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2010, 11:47:00 AM »

No more leatherback turtle in Malaysia !!  :angry4:

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2010, 01:53:04 AM »

really wanna save turtles?.......send the Zionis commandos....settle!.....Brickfields 2 cents ops  ;)

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2010, 03:41:02 PM »

oh! mayb this species also need IVF and artificial insemination!

i will study about their reproductive systems :)

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2010, 04:08:50 PM »

I'm sure we can plan on something.. Come on MUW..

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2010, 01:09:23 AM »

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2uXJQEw3WQ[/youtube]

NickC posted this vid. Not for the faint hearted.

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2010, 11:09:43 AM »

i think right now got this walk for turtles thingy..
maybe next time when there's activities like this, MUW can participate..  :)

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2010, 08:45:16 PM »

Tulip.....its Eco Teer, Daniel Quilter conducting the "Walk for Turtle " program....walk from Kemaman to K.Besut, monitoring turtle tracks along the coastline & island beaches, but i believe we shud put Zionis elite forces securing turtle landings  :D

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2010, 08:49:11 PM »

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D that would work too macha hehehe

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2010, 12:54:04 AM »

I'm sure we can plan on something.. Come on MUW..



Narco.....no offense....plan caaannn....execute dont think so  ;)

educate the young generation....try your luck talking to some Pak Aji in East Coast about not to eat turtle eggs, is like Malaysia qualifying World Cup  :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2010, 04:50:17 AM »

I'm sure we can plan on something.. Come on MUW..



Narco.....no offense....plan caaannn....execute dont think so  ;)

educate the young generation....try your luck talking to some Pak Aji in East Coast about not to eat turtle eggs, is like Malaysia qualifying World Cup  :D :D :D :D :D :D


Hehehe Macha.... how true you are ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2010, 08:46:55 AM »

I'm sure we can plan on something.. Come on MUW..



Narco.....no offense....plan caaannn....execute dont think so  ;)

educate the young generation....try your luck talking to some Pak Aji in East Coast about not to eat turtle eggs, is like Malaysia qualifying World Cup  :D :D :D :D :D :D


Yep Macha.. fully agree. Executing will tell how many of us have the heart in solving any issue.

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2010, 10:12:33 AM »

I guess its all about educating the young that eating "Turtle Eggs" are wrong....

Hopefully there would be little or no demand, so they dont bother selling it!!...

But I guess it would probably take a generation to change their mindset.... Sad isnt it... as it could already be too late then....

http://www.turtleconservationcentre.org/

If anybody is in KT and wants a site visit, I can help you setup a meeting with Prof Chan.


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PS: Prof Chan is distributing books to KT schools to educate and raise awareness. Check link for more details
http://www.turtleconservationcentre.org/blog/pre-publication-book-offer/

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Re: Where have the turtles gone
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2011, 09:08:54 PM »

Yeap, that's true Eric, HOPE is the word.

First of all, I'm glad to read what everyone has to say here and there are those who wish to take actions but feels like they're unable to do so. My only response to that is "DON'T BE". Anyone can do their bid to help, and although just giving talks might not feel that effective, to lead by example is another step.

I may not be like Prof. Chan of Turtle Conservation Centre, or Dr. Juanita Joseph of UMT's Sea Turtle Research Unit (SEATRU) or an official from Department of Fisheries. However, I have been involved in sea turtle conservation since my 1st year in marine biology studies in UMT back in 2005, and am now in the position to lead a newly registered ngo in Malaysia that focus on sea turtle conservation, Help Our Penyu (HOPE).

I know people tend to get confused of what's legal and what's not with the sea turtle eggs, so I'll clarify here. Continuing from where Eddy have said, one would need to acquire the license to collect these eggs. In Malacca, the license is open for anyone to sign up and pay for. In Terengganu, they follow the bidding system which means the licenses are granted to those who offer 'good' bids (I have yet to find out more about this, but hopefully one of their officers will clarify this to me on our follow-up meeting this coming Wednesday). At the same time, the laws in which is passed by the Federal Government does not necessarily apply to the state because each state is governed by their own set of laws. So in Malaysia, the legislation passed by the National Parliament that protects the turtle is the Fishereis Act 1985 (Act 317), while in Terengganu they have the Turtles Enactment 1951 (Amendments 1987 & 1989). None of the laws state that one must send the eggs to the hatchery because these legislations respect the right to one person to consume the egg (which I find it interesting considering Islam doesn't encourage Muslims to consume an animal that can exist in two worlds).

Other than turtle egg consumption, there's also the issue on fisheries impact, which can be seen on turtles getting caught in the fishing nets or the fish hooks from longline fishing. Fisheries impact is considered as the second biggest threat to the turtles after egg consumption, and of course, there are other threatening factors such as coastal development and pollution. By pollution, this is referred to floating marine debris and oil spill.

As Tulip noticed, there's the "Walk for Turtles" event, which is actually a survey that is organized through HOPE. Dan and I met an officer from the Department of Fisheries Terengganu back in June 2009 and disclosed that the state does not hold any accurate information on the number of turtle nestings on the coastline of Terengganu. This led us to plan up the Walk for Turtles where last year we walked from Dungun to Perhentian. This year, we're extending the walk from Cherating, Pahang to all the way up north to Perhentian. Yes, this is tiring, but hey, someone has got to do it. Plus, it's a good workout.  ;)

Anyway, if you guys wanna find out more about HOPE, then you can visit our website at www.helpourpenyu.com and check out our Facebook group page (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=136694617086) and fanpage (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Our-Penyu-empowering-the-Malaysian-public/204699397310). Of course, you can follow us on twitter at @HelpOurPenyu (http://twitter.com/#!/HelpOurPenyu).

Owh yeah, Eddy, the price ya put up is kinda old already. Now they're selling 3 eggs for RM10 in Terengganu & Kelantan now.

References:
Fisheries Act 1985 (ACT 317)
http://www.agc.gov.my/Akta/Vol.%207/Act%20317.pdf

Survey of Marine Turtle Egg Consumption and Trade in Malaysia
http://www.google.com.my/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.wwfmalaysia.inga.bluegecko.net%2Fdownloads%2Fsurvey_of_marine_turtle_egg_consumption_and_trade_in_malays.pdf&ei=S1AoTeqKGITsrAeSgrXCDA&usg=AFQjCNEDNcPk8o79YbYGcNXvzt5HiOKYdQ

Chemical Contamination of Green Turtle (Chelonia mydas) Eggs in Peninsular Malaysia: Implications for Conservation and Public Health
http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action;jsessionid=E930815A95549167FDBB9D9DB949E315?articleURI=info:doi/10.1289/ehp.0900813

Fisher profiles and perceptions of sea turtle-fishery interactions: case study of East Coast Peninsular Malaysia
http://econpapers.repec.org/bookchap/wfiwfbook/37497.htm



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