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bobo

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Stupid barge strikes back - again?
« on: February 13, 2007, 02:38:00 PM »

(Utusan Malaysia 13 februari 2007)

Tongkang rosakkan terumbu karang Pulau Kapas

MARANG 12 Feb. _ Sebuah tongkang yang membawa peralatan serta tiang untuk kerja-kerja pemasangan bekalan elektrik di Pulau Kapas di sini dipercayai telah mengakibatkan kerosakan kepada batu karang di kawasan perairan pulau tersebut.
Kejadian yang dipercayai berlaku lewat petang semalam antara perairan Pulau Kapas dan Pulau Gemia itu disedari oleh seorang penyelam bebas, Zainal Azam Hashim, 45.
Zainal Azam yang juga ketua jurulatih skuba di Pulau Kapas mendakwa, beliau telah cuba menghalang tongkang itu daripada terus melalui kawasan tersebut tetapi gagal.
“Apabila menyedari tongkang itu tersalah laluan, saya memberikan isyarat supaya jurumudinya tidak memasuki kawasan itu yang sememangnya dikenali di kalangan penyelam sebagai kawasan yang mempunyai banyak terumbu karang.
“Bagaimanapun, isyarat itu tidak diendahkan menyebabkan tongkang itu tersangkut di kawasan tersebut dan dipercayai telah menyebabkan kerosakan kepada batu karang di pulau ini,'' katanya ketika ditemui di Pulau Kapas di sini hari ini.
Difahamkan, kejadian itu telah dilaporkan kepada Unit Taman Laut yang kemudiannya mengambil tindakan segera dengan menghantar sekumpulan penguat kuasa termasuk unit penyelam untuk memeriksa tahap kerosakan yang dialami.
Tinjauan yang dilakukan petang ini mendapati tongkang tersebut masih berada di kawasan itu bersama sekumpulan penyelam yang dipercayai daripada Unit Taman Laut serta Kementerian Sumber Asli dan Alam Sekitar bagi menyiasat kejadian itu.
Sementara itu, Menteri Besar, Datuk Seri Idris Jusoh yang diminta mengulas kejadian itu berkata, perkara tersebut tidak sepatutnya berlaku terutama di kawasan pulau yang sering menjadi tumpuan pelancong.
''Setakat ini, saya masih belum menerima sebarang laporan tentang kejadian itu.  Saya akan arahkan pegawai daerah menyiasat perkara berkenaan,'' katanya ketika ditemui di Kuala Terengganu hari ini.

(Jembalang Laut can you translate...)


Sebuah tongkang yang mengangkut tiang dan kabel elektrik TNB tersangkut di Pantai Pulau Kapas,Marang,Terengganu,semalam.



Razali Ismail (kanan) bertanya sesuatu kepada pengusaha pelancongan dan penyelam skuba berkenaan sebuah  tongkang yang mengangkut tiang dan kabel elektrik TNB tersangkut di Pantai Pulau Kapas,Marang,Terengganu, semalam.

[size=24]First the dugong, now the barge, next what..???[/size]



spazm

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Re: Stupid barge strikes back - again?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2007, 02:43:45 PM »

 :(when are we gona learn from all this stupid mistakes??

nazimkecik

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Re: Stupid barge strikes back - again?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2007, 03:28:36 PM »

ayoyoyoyo again.... :o tsk tsk tsk

Jim

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Re: Stupid barge strikes back - again?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2007, 03:34:08 PM »

May be a wrong answer from me.... The answer: have we ever learn anything? Definitely not...... This matter will happened repeatedly. Once occur there will be big hu ha. After a few months all will be forgoten....


bijan

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Re: Stupid barge strikes back - again?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2007, 03:57:01 PM »

kesian coral..another million years to grow back..hihih

deepblu

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2007, 04:26:47 PM »

*here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush*

wonder what the excuses are this time round....

LaraCroft

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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2007, 05:43:05 PM »

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*here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush*

wonder what the excuses are this time round....


Looks like TNB might be involved in instructing to transport the cables to wherever they want to send them to. So.. sure hush-hush matter after this. Sshhhh....
« Last Edit: February 13, 2007, 05:43:58 PM by LaraCroft »

BubbleBunny

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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 04:24:08 PM »

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May be a wrong answer from me.... The answer: have we ever learn anything? Definitely not...... This matter will happened repeatedly. Once occur there will be big hu ha. After a few months all will be forgoten....



Typical mentality to sweep things under the rug. I think the lesson learned here is not "don't let it happen again". It'll probably be "Next time, make sure no one finds out about it".

On that issue of making a big hu ha and forgetting about it, what do you think is the main reason behind it? Is it because the people's voices are not strong enough? Or is it because not enough people care? Does the media play the biggest role in dictating the country's reaction to events such as these?

I think that in our (developing) country, many will think that the benefits of development outweigh the benefits of conservation and will by any means make sure that development pushes forward regardless of its environmental impact. Sure we can raise concerns about ecological damage, but if ppl's mentality isn't changed to nurture environmentally sound decisions, these concerns aren't likely to be taken seriously. And the vicious cycle of sweeping things under the rug rears its ugly head again.

Sad but true. So what happened to the voices of the Malaysian People? Drowned out by other "more important" things?


bobo

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Re: Stupid barge strikes back - again?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 04:37:59 PM »

When small numbers not very important, see what the politician thinks....

Utusan Malaysia Timur edition 14/2/2007

KUALA TERENGGANU 13 Feb. – Kerajaan negeri mendapati kerosakan terumbu karang akibat dilanggar sebuah tongkang di Pulau Kapas, Marang kelmarin hanya melibatkan kawasan seluas 30 meter persegi. [d*mb thinking]


Pengerusi Jawatankuasa Hal Ehwal Pengguna, Alam Sekitar dan Kesihatan negeri, Toh Chin Yaw berkata, laporan siasatan yang diterima hari ini juga menyatakan kerosakan yang dialami tidak begitu serius.

“Kalau adapun kerosakan terumbu batu karang, ia hanya membabitkan kawasan seluas 30 meter persegi dan kebanyakan batu karang di situ masih belum terbentuk dengan baik. [again d*mb thinking]


“Kerosakan hidupan laut di kawasan itu juga tidak begitu serius kerana ia tidak membabitkan projek pembenihan batu karang menggunakan kaedah tukun tiruan yang dilaksanakan kerajaan negeri,” katanya ketika dihubungi di sini hari ini. [another d*mb thinking because artifial is better than the original]


Beliau berkata demikian sebagai mengulas kerosakan batu karang di perairan Pulau Kapas ekoran sebuah tongkang yang membawa peralatan pemasangan bekalan elektrik di pulau Kapas tersalah masuk laluan yang ditetapkan.

Kejadian yang dipercayai berlaku petang kelmarin itu menyebabkan tongkang itu tersangkut dan merosakkan batu karang di kawasan perairan Pulau Kapas dan Pulau Gemia.

Utusan Malaysia difahamkan tongkang terbabit telah ditunda oleh Unit Taman Laut Negeri Terengganu dan kini ditahan di salah sebuah jeti Jabatan Perikanan di sini untuk tindakan lanjut.

Chin Yaw berkata, Unit Taman Laut akan mengambil tindakan dengan mendakwa pemilik tongkang berkenaan berdasarkan peruntukan undang-undang sedia ada.

“Bagaimanapun, pemilik tongkang itu boleh mengambil semula tongkangnya termasuk semua peralatan pemasangan bekalan elektrik setelah dia membuat pembayaran bon jaminan,” katanya.

is this YB d*mb or what? never do any homework ke..???  >:(
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Jim

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Re: Stupid barge strikes back - again?
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 04:45:49 PM »

Development or conservation? We do need both, definitely. BUT proper study & execution is needed....


BubbleBunny

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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2007, 05:21:10 PM »

thats true. More often than not, it's Development at the expense of conservation. If there is conservation, it's at the expense of further development. The problem with this is that if there is development at the expense of conservation, the damage to the environment is usually irreversible. However, if there is conservation at the expense of further development, it doesn't mean that conservation efforts are indefinite. Forest or marine "reserves" are just that - "reserved" until someone decides to build something on it. Same as the "Green Lung" of Klang Klang valley - is it reserved indefinitely? Or do we one day see new housing developments popping up in what is supposed to be a forest "RESERVE"?

Hmmm....yes, we do have to think about how conservation could COMPLEMENT development and vice versa but IMHO, it's never realistic in the eyes of today's cannibalistic/capitalistic world.

So what can we do?

deepblu

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 05:29:18 PM »

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So what can we do?


nothing, i guess.

just watch the whole spectacle take place, another spectacle on the acts of covering up.

bobo

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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2007, 05:55:11 PM »

yes we can do a lot. nevermind what other say. we can do something small or big. we still have the people power.

SeaDemon

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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2007, 07:14:16 PM »

The human mind forgets after 90 days, which is why the Soviets never responded to the world after it shot down the KAL007.

However, if you continue to shine the light on the subject matters (to borrow my father's term in his column in the Sunday Star) and keep the pressure up, then they won't forget.

The Marine Park Department should think into providing "pilot" services to the service barges sending materials to the various islands.

bobo

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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2007, 08:21:08 PM »

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The Marine Park Department should think into providing "pilot" services to the service barges sending materials to the various islands.


Marine Park still is a Section in MNRE, in fact when the barge came in (around 11pm), a scuba operator sms the head of Terengganu Marine Park Unit, unfortunately cannot take action because, there is no enforcement officer working late, no budget for over time and I heard no budget for a part timer enforcment officer too.

So forget a pilot service from Marine Park, this should be handle by the Jabatan Laut i think.

SeaDemon

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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2007, 09:01:26 PM »

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When small numbers not very important, see what the politician thinks....is this YB d*mb or what? never do any homework ke..???  >:(


Hahaha..he's a strong supporter of CORAL Malaysia and wants a replica of Masjid Terapung at Pulau Kapas like the ones we put at Bidong.

bobo

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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2007, 09:34:21 PM »

Takat supporter tak guna, suh dia p main layang-layang la hahahah... kena la awt study sket... ni la politician hahahaha

Jim

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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2007, 09:24:26 AM »

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However, if you continue to shine the light on the subject matters (to borrow my father's term in his column in the Sunday Star) and keep the pressure up, then they won't forget.



This is true but ..... its funny how things works. If the matter is grave in nature like sipadan kidnapping or involving high powered people, it will be resolved quickly. Else. it will die off rather quick....

Jim

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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2007, 09:29:04 AM »

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The Marine Park Department should think into providing "pilot" services to the service barges sending materials to the various islands.


Marine Park still is a Section in MNRE, in fact when the barge came in (around 11pm), a scuba operator sms the head of Terengganu Marine Park Unit, unfortunately cannot take action because, there is no enforcement officer working late, no budget for over time and I heard no budget for a part timer enforcment officer too.So forget a pilot service from Marine Park, this should be handle by the Jabatan Laut i think.


Should hv been like before. All under 1 roof at MoA. If there is a problem, people are not sure who's who to refer to. Is it MNRE or MoA?

eerr Question: Who has jurisdiction to summon motorist who park on pavement? PDRM? DBKL? MBPJ?

GOD

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Tricky situation ... very tricky indeed!!!
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2007, 10:38:41 AM »

It happen in Tioman Island, Sipadan Island & now .... Pulau Kapas.

I have nothing against development, is good & it should be done but need some sort of monitoring by the Jabatan Laut if is not a Marine Park & by the Marine Park dept. if is in their area with the help of Jabatan Laut & Marine Police & 'Coast Guard' .....  :D

Malaysian Diver's voice ... we seen with Tioman Island & Sipadan Island, that is the only voice that we have... just for couple of weeks, after that ... all quiet already... is Hot Air.

Maybe is about time we have proper & strong independent diving bodies, not like some independent bodies that are interested to get sponsership for their own good.... free dives...free dives...free dives, after all we do have independent marine group in Malaysia which have done fantastic job at promoting nothing.

This NEW independent bodies must get involved with anything that touch our lovely ocean top&below. Working together with our lovely & caring government. Set it up on every island & having HQ on the mainland....we do have plenty of diving operator & local's on the island which do have boats & can assist in many ways only if they wanted too.

The people in this bodies ... must not be afraid to do their job, to make sure any development done within our lovely ocean top&below are well taken care off, well protected with minimum impact.... less profit but it will prolong our lovely ocean & islands. This people must not be afraid of politicians .... why should they, after all we the voice & work of the people are STRONGER & CARRIES MORE WEIGHT as we know what put the Politician there at the very first place.

Development is a MUST but done with MINIMUM IMPACT .... working together is the way to go, not against it.

 ;D






nyu

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Re: Tricky situation ... very tricky indeed!!!
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2007, 11:32:13 AM »

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It happen in Tioman Island, Sipadan Island & now .... Pulau Kapas.

I have nothing against development, is good & it should be done but need some sort of monitoring by the Jabatan Laut if is not a Marine Park & by the Marine Park dept. if is in their area with the help of Jabatan Laut & Marine Police & 'Coast Guard' .....  :D

Malaysian Diver's voice ... we seen with Tioman Island & Sipadan Island, that is the only voice that we have... just for couple of weeks, after that ... all quiet already... is Hot Air.

Maybe is about time we have proper & strong independent diving bodies, not like some independent bodies that are interested to get sponsership for their own good.... free dives...free dives...free dives, after all we do have independent marine group in Malaysia which have done fantastic job at promoting nothing.

This NEW independent bodies must get involved with anything that touch our lovely ocean top&below. Working together with our lovely & caring government. Set it up on every island & having HQ on the mainland....we do have plenty of diving operator & local's on the island which do have boats & can assist in many ways only if they wanted too.

The people in this bodies ... must not be afraid to do their job, to make sure any development done within our lovely ocean top&below are well taken care off, well protected with minimum impact.... less profit but it will prolong our lovely ocean & islands. This people must not be afraid of politicians .... why should they, after all we the voice & work of the people are STRONGER & CARRIES MORE WEIGHT as we know what put the Politician there at the very first place.

Development is a MUST but done with MINIMUM IMPACT .... working together is the way to go, not against it.

 ;D






bro you hit spot on...there must be a legitimate independent body..maybe watch group who can act as NGO overseeing this thing..coral protection specifically and marine life generally...BTW ppl..my experiance thougth me that eventhough the barge owner or operator is fine (which is a measly RM 10,000 per offence) they can straight away continue their operation provided they show that MITIGATING action is beign taken to avoid or reduced the risk......bro...this is the same as telling the owner " yes thanks for the $$$ , u can go continue now...but make sure we don't see you doing it again.. >:(" bobo is right again D@#B thinking is being applied here. Why not we try to tackle this issue??? can we form a watchgroup among us???? :-?

matzahar

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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2007, 08:23:21 AM »

Ni satu lagi...... kat Kedah..

http://www.bharian.com.my/m/BHarian/Friday/EdisiUtara/20070216095729/Article/


©The New Straits Times Press (M) Berhad

anas

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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2007, 10:17:49 AM »

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Ni satu lagi...... kat Kedah..

http://www.bharian.com.my/m/BHarian/Friday/EdisiUtara/20070216095729/Article/


©The New Straits Times Press (M) Berhad



Hmm this one is not an accident. It's more likely done by the Pros... i.e. Prosak and Progol

SeaDemon

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2007, 09:38:29 PM »

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eerr Question: Who has jurisdiction to summon motorist who park on pavement? PDRM? DBKL? MBPJ?


All three, the latter two depending on whose road it's on. PDRM can summon all. MBPJ and DBKL on respective pavements, double lines etc.

SeaDemon

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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2007, 09:41:07 PM »

The one in Kedah is blatant disregard for all laws...but if I were the Chief of Navy, I'd send a patrol boat, shoot first for trespassing as provided for in the Protected Area & Protected Place Ordnance as it is a MINDEF area.

SeaDemon

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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2007, 10:33:47 PM »

IMO, setting up a watchdog will not do anything...simply because of the general belief that what happens under the sea doesn't affect you.  The minister in charge is not a diver, and he won't be interested simply because he doesn't know how long can his measures be in place if he gets sent to another ministry after a reshuffle...look at the MyVi for MyKad fiasco.  An NGO will remain an NGO, bang on gongs, make noise...but still Rahu won't fly away to leave the moon alone.  There are so many NGOs out there in Malaysia doing all sorts of things...in the end, they still kowtow to the various governemtn departments because they need (1) funding, (2) to remain as an association. An being an association, an NGO is always open to attacks and agents planted by various people to undermine the association...look at what our sports bodies have turned into.

The approach has to be multi-pronged. First is to educate the children so that we have a future generation that is environmentally savvy...these children will inherit the departments that directly look into the state of coral reefs and its surroundings.  In order to enforce, you must have the enforcement officers who are divers, environmentally-savvy, and are educators at the same time who can talk to people about the importance of the environment.

Simply forming a voice for divers will see at the end of the squabble as to who will have the mental endurance to keep up the fight.  And in an association, your ideas as the president of the committee will die when you are voted out of office.

Start by educating the future generation, and at the same time, suggest for the government to actually form an enforcement body that actually has power...unlike the marine parks departments...anwerable directly to the Minister, not department heads. Otherwise it would be as (lamely) effective as most corporate security departments that answer to the GM Admin instead of the CEO.

Jim

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2007, 05:31:14 PM »

To educate future generations? Thats one officer had in mind when i had tts  wih him long time ago.

To form another enforcement agency? I think we hv more than enuf agencies...

What we need? Someone with political will to enforce the law...

anas

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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2007, 06:48:49 PM »

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To educate future generations? Thats one officer had in mind when i had tts  wih him long time ago.

To form another enforcement agency? I think we hv more than enuf agencies...

What we need? Someone with political will to enforce the law...


to educate future generations??
Adoi! I was in a nondiving island last night (some where south). I saw all sorts of thrash being thrown away in the sea and washed ashore.

This country or planet still have a long way to go before everyone realizes this. I guess the stupid-barge-strikes-back-again is a reflection of the people and government of this country. And we are probably shooting our own feet.

« Last Edit: February 20, 2007, 06:49:31 PM by anas »

bobo

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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2007, 07:27:42 PM »

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To educate future generations? Thats one officer had in mind when i had tts  wih him long time ago.

To form another enforcement agency? I think we hv more than enuf agencies...

What we need? Someone with political will to enforce the law...


and we also have enuf NGO's that champion saving the corals, but at the end, everything gone down the drain and they become event organiser, why, because, more money and easy to get money to organise an event better than to save the corals like what seademon said.

and why that happened? because of the DU%B politician knew nothing or may be only 10% knowledge (when numbers matters) of conservsation. and easy to give money for organising event, more promotion on their political purposes.  ;)



SeaDemon

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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2007, 11:35:51 PM »

So I guess, there's no point in complaining...like what Snafu has always pointed out. In the end it's just some shouts by some divers that contain more hot air than any of the typhoons that hit the South China Seas...and as fast as it gains power, it loses steam.

1. No government department, no matter how many overlapping agencies are supposed to be watching the environment, will work extra hard unless if they get "incentives"

2. No minister wants to rock the boat...and like I mentioned..hey, it's underwater...none of the ministers live there

3. NGOs are more interested to get fundings...as only 30% of the money collected will end up being put into some use.

Be like me...dive whether or not there's coral in that area and enjoy it. One of the benefits of diving Port Dickson is that if you can enjoy it, you'll enjoy anything  ;)