no. you are not wasting your time. i am just suggesting rather than going the petition way, there are other effective,a bit long term way of doing things.

imagine, if peolple are educated to leave this (what i call extream counsumerism) lifestyle,where people only consume what they need. no need for excess. i would call the demand for shark fins is an excess, do you agree?
right now the are promoting the concept, cut the demand and the killing will stop. true. but demand is still there. Why? because we are living an excessive lifestyle. to put shark fins on the table is a sign of status (and usually its cheap grade also). do we need this? and remember, its dificult to change peoples lifestyle.

dont try to tackle a problem just by looking at it. we have to see in a broader aspect.

you dont kill a tree by cutting the branch, you attack at the roots.

in that way you solve a lot of problem in one strong effort.

this is my way of trying to make this world a better place. tis is how i belief on how we should solve the problems above. i dont want to STILL signing petition about the welfare of sharks ten years on.....

so how relavant is that to your effort?

We must dispel the notion that the sea can take whatever human beings throw at it, and that it can sustain the lives of human beings forever. That is a myth. The truth is the oceans are sick because so many species of marine lives have disappeared forever from the face of this earth.  Those days we could easily get a good catch. Nowadays, trawlers are trawling as deep as 300-500 meters, scraping the bottom off strange and alien-like fishes we'll never get to see swimming alive. That's how desperate we've become.

To stop this, we have to start somewhere. Education is the best way to create a new generation of eco-friendly human beings.  But pressure must also be applied. We must stop thinking that there are others out there who will try to make a difference, but there will never be change, so we don't have to do anything about it.  If we want things to change, we must do something. Nothing will change if we don't make the first move to change it.

And as Muslims, if you cannot change it with your hands, change it with your mouth. If you cannot do that, then protest about it in your heart; for that is the weakest of faith.

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no. you are not wasting your time. i am just suggesting rather than going the petition way, there are other effective,a bit long term way of doing things.

imagine, if peolple are educated to leave this (what i call extream counsumerism) lifestyle,where people only consume what they need. no need for excess. i would call the demand for shark fins is an excess, do you agree?
right now the are promoting the concept, cut the demand and the killing will stop. true. but demand is still there. Why? because we are living an excessive lifestyle. to put shark fins on the table is a sign of status (and usually its cheap grade also). do we need this? and remember, its dificult to change peoples lifestyle.

dont try to tackle a problem just by looking at it. we have to see in a broader aspect.

you dont kill a tree by cutting the branch, you attack at the roots.

in that way you solve a lot of problem in one strong effort.

this is my way of trying to make this world a better place. tis is how i belief on how we should solve the problems above. i dont want to STILL signing petition about the welfare of sharks ten years on.....

so how relavant is that to your effort?

You can stop signing petitions & try to make the world a better place. Dont say 10yrs time .. give it for a very long time, things are not going to change at the speed that you or anyone would like too... maybe there wont even be a change  

What would your solution be to solve this problem of 'Stop The Shark Fin Trade'? You must have started something in order to make the first move to Stop The Trade  :

I and few others started to do some intro of the underwater world to Kindergarten in Johor. Nothing fancy ... just some underwater video, slide shows which include Sharks & Turtles... this was like back in 97/98 & still going strong. Hoping for something good to happen in Johor, is always a start.... to tackle the Parents, get the kids involved.

 8-) Would we see the results in the future? We dont know ... but for sure we try.

We can see things in broader aspect as much as we want but till the day we do something about it, is as good as not doing anything.

BTW ... Do you think by what the Greenpeace are doing manage to change anything? ... The Answer is NO. Infact they lost couple of hands for doing so. Do you think they should STOP doing it? I dont think so, coz that is the way they belief it should be handle, they are doing something about it.

Petitions are anytime better then nothing, these group of people are doing something, ... is better then being an Arm Chair Critics  

I agree with SeaDemon 100%!!! Educations is the way ... start young.

  What have you done to attack the root? Please share so we all can learn something from it.


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you or other people that are interested can ask me directly when we meet of for teh tarik. i can share with you guys a few practice that i assume is beneficial for all of us. also i assume that you or others can teach me a few things also.

but for now the proudest moment i must say is when i opened up this forum today, and see the many replies to this particular topic, all passionate about the sharks and enviroment, stating what thay believe is the right way to tackel this problem....its so invigorating to see people passionate and talking about things they believe in...even doing what they think is right...practicing what they preach...all with a well place dessention....that is how i operate...sorry....heh.