Author Topic: No more leatherback turtles in Malaysia (Read 4045 times)

nanda666 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:58:59 PM »

the leatherback are history.

I heard a story from a diver from way back that the fisheries guys used to release the hatchling on the beach, and then pick them back just as they reached the water line, and set them off from where they started again.

They do this again and again and collect $$$ from the tourist.

The end result is the hatchlings that are finally allowed to swim away are too tired and would have most probably died or would have been easy prey.

And as you all know, turtles return to the beach they were born....so good luck if we see any more on rantau abang!!!

shafi · « **Reply #31 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:32:35 PM »

Quote from: JD on April 14, 2008, 03:56:16 PM

Quote from: mocha on April 14, 2008, 03:28:22 PM
Quote from: JD on April 14, 2008, 03:04:22 PM
Was in K.Terangganu last two weeks. Upon coming back from redang we stop to have lunch at a local shop,and guess what....we were served turtle eggs......

did u eat it???

NO la dey.........funny thing was all the divers we looking at each other when the eggs were served...like thinking 'hey..we divers don't eat this' or 'who is going to start first..then i wack la....' but Mocha,on a serious note we left it untouched......

Excellent guys.. we start with ourselves... don't eat it, your friends won't eat it, tell your family members don't eat it... and hope that this behaviour is contagious.

shafi · « **Reply #32 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:33:54 PM »

Quote from: jgshuwei on April 14, 2008, 02:13:20 PM

Who to be blame? Many local ppl like to eat turtle's egg. Can they stop doing so? My ex-boss can eat 100 eggs in one go.

Hey there Eco-reporter... so did you tell your boss its not good for him (or the turtle population for that matter)? 100 eggs is a lot!!!

nanda666 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 15, 2008, 09:38:31 AM »

what happen to signing the petition to stop eating turtle eggs and get 1,000,000 signatures???

I recall that we reached 75 or something.......

I heard MUW have way more than that number of members, right?

If we can't even take some time (not even asking for $$$$$) to sign an online petition, really don't see the point of continuing discussion on this when most people have the attitude of "Oh...it's sooooo sad.....hope SOMEBODY ELSE will save the turtles!!!"

I'm sorry if I come across a little pissed but I am.

Scuba Dynamics · « **Reply #34 on:** April 15, 2008, 10:54:31 AM »

Yo Nanda, you should know better than that.

We can sign 10 million petitions and have 10 billion signatures on those petitions but at the end of the day it is about attitudes, upbringing and education.

As you can see Shafi and a few others are doing their very best to educate ppl on coral conservation and although it may not be much at this stage, at least it is a start and now we need to work on many other things, turtles, global warming, massive pollution, man made destruction and etc.

Look at the newly announced plans for Port Dickson - another wonderful and sure way to destroy what little there is left for weekend holiday makers from this region and does Malaysia really need that??

I practically grew up in PD and learnt most of my water sports there and after a long break, I went back there with some foreign visitors and man, was I embarrassed with the filth leftover from picnickers, developments and etc. Will I ever go back to PD?? Your guess!

Tioman, Redang, Bukit Tinggi, the Wet lands, Bukit Gasing... too much to mention.

Whatever happened to the gruesome murders of children??

Whatever happened to the Tioman Ferry incident??

ZILCH! As always.

This is a great platform to launch such programs BUT we need to keep at it AND keep pushing otherwise.....

See you after ADEX.

PS It would also be good if WE can start on something for Malaysia, to create a global awareness that Malaysia does exist, is beautiful and we are GREAT people and that we care!

shafi · « **Reply #35 on:** April 15, 2008, 11:15:42 AM »

Excellent points made there, SD.

We need to start with ourselves, so lets start with MUW.. hence why the whole EcoDiver-Sustainable Island Programme came about...

I agree... you can sign a zillion petitions, but I can tell you its tough changing people's attitudes and behaviour towards conservation... you need to persistently tell them 'why this or that is wrong' and this can start with those closest to you, i.e. family and friends, and of course, some corporate sponsorship?? Hahhaha

)...

A chinese couple i know did away with sharks fins during their grand wedding at KL Hilton. I've been whipping my pointer at my cousins who are used to eating turtle eggs.

Point is, it's hard to filter those who are absolutely sincere about conservation, but we are not ones to judge.. so just work with what you have, what you can and start the ball rolling. Things will eventually fall into place.

Maybe its too late for our islands reefs, maybe its not... we hear bad news in the papers, but we also know of success stories on reef preservation and local sustainable development in places like Cebu, Philippines (and its not mind-boggling rocket science, i tell you).

Its all about HOW you do it... online signing petitions or on the ground, in the water, making it count.

At any one weekend, do you know how many MUW divers are out there diving our waters? If a few of them can make one of their many dives a reef check survey dive, do you know how much data/information and knowledge we'd be sitting on?

And with knowledge, comes POWER. Seek out the who-knows-who and pass on these information to those who can make the high-level decisions.

But before you get there.. how much do we know about the state of our reefs and how credible are our conclusions and resulting recommendations?

Back to turtle eggs.... and a myriad of other marine conservation conundrums.

jgshuwei · « **Reply #36 on:** April 15, 2008, 12:54:26 PM »

Quote from: shafi on April 14, 2008, 05:33:54 PM

Quote from: jgshuwei on April 14, 2008, 02:13:20 PM
Who to be blame? Many local ppl like to eat turtle's egg. Can they stop doing so? My ex-boss can eat 100 eggs in one go.

Hey there Eco-reporter... so did you tell your boss its not good for him (or the turtle population for that matter)? 100 eggs is a lot!!!

Told him but do u think he will listen? Ppl like him are hopeless.

nanda666 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 15, 2008, 01:28:25 PM »

Quote from: shafi on April 15, 2008, 11:15:42 AM

Excellent points made there, SD.

We need to start with ourselves, so lets start with MUW.. hence why the whole EcoDiver-Sustainable Island Programme came about...

I agree... you can sign a zillion petitions, but I can tell you its tough changing people's attitudes and behaviour towards conservation... you need to persistently tell them 'why this or that is wrong' and this can start with those closest to you, i.e. family and friends, and of course, some corporate sponsorship?? Hahhaha )...

A chinese couple i know did away with sharks fins during their grand wedding at KL Hilton. I've been whipping my pointer at my cousins who are used to eating turtle eggs.

Point is, it's hard to filter those who are absolutely sincere about conservation, but we are not ones to judge.. so just work with what you have, what you can and start the ball rolling. Things will eventually fall into place.

Maybe its too late for our islands reefs, maybe its not... we hear bad news in the papers, but we also know of success stories on reef preservation and local sustainable development in places like Cebu, Philippines (and its not mind-boggling rocket science, i tell you).

Its all about HOW you do it... online signing petitions or on the ground, in the water, making it count.

At any one weekend, do you know how many MUW divers are out there diving our waters? If a few of them can make one of their many dives a reef check survey dive, do you know how much data/information and knowledge we'd be sitting on?

And with knowledge, comes POWER. Seek out the who-knows-who and pass on these information to those who can make the high-level decisions.

But before you get there.. how much do we know about the state of our reefs and how credible are our conclusions and resulting recommendations?

Back to turtle eggs.... and a myriad of other marine conservation conundrums.

I do understand all the comments about education, these thing take time, lets study the reef, etc, etc, ...but what's stops us from doing small things?????

MUW can say that RM 1 will go to turtle conservation for every T shirt sold, right?

SD and other Dive operators/shops can say that every dive trip/dive course has a RM 10 donation going to local conservation, right?

We (MUW members) are in TOTAL control of these things, right?

But no........i'm sure there'll be all sorts of reasons that will appear on why this cannot be done....that's what I'm talking about, Shafi.

I do acknowledge that your intention and the whole gang that doing the reef check is fantastic. (I was honestly so happy when I saw that list grow.....

)

but we can do small things.....if we really wanted to........ so lets not kid ourselves that it's all somebody elses fault!!!

shafi · « **Reply #38 on:** April 15, 2008, 02:51:51 PM »

(sigh) okay, nevermind... why do I feel like the point i was making is now lost somewhat. No one is blaming anybody here for whatever has happened to the leatherbacks... Lets stick to the thread...

As Moderator for this section, I am extremely open to constructive discussions and suggestions. Because frankly, pessimism tires a lot of people out and that is the last thing we all need in this section. Its suppose to shed some light to the issues faced, and not the drama. If you haven't tried anything with MUW formally or otherwise, please do not assume that "there'll be all sorts of reasons that will appear on why this cannot be done"....

So Nanda, why don't you share with us how RM 1 will save the leatherback turtles... and the mechanism we can put in place right here in this forum that will ensure that every RM 1 per t-shirt sold or RM 10 per dive package can potentially save a turtle... Eg: do we buy the eggs ourselves then ask our friendly DCs to help incubate them and release them? Do we adopt a nest?

It can be RM 1 here, RM 10 there, RM 150,000 .... but what is the mechanism to ensure that that money is used in the appropriate way? Who are the partners you are collaborating with? Which DCs can we work with on responsible tourism, responsible diving and education on the preservation of marine life? Can MUW give them an award or some form of rating (gold, diamond, platinum stars, etc) which will allow divers to make informed decisions about who they ought to dive with?

Don't forget you have to account for other people's money... and look at feasible options... dont make us travel all the way to MaDaerah to tag turtles.. I'll start weighing the benefits of that against carbon emissions and global warming.

I am all for starting things small and local - so why don't we create an activity or a programme.. It can be an environmental brown bag on "How MUW can save the turtles" and we can convert one of the Teh Tarik Sessions into a full blown workshop (still with teh tarik, of course)..

Not many people can differentiate between the turtles.. they are all green. And what is their IUCN status? Cool facts about turtles? Their threats? And measures we can take to help the turtles.

If you know of anybody who is willing to give a 30min talk on turtles, by all means... post it here in this thread. If you know of any talks on marine conservation that is going on out there that we can attend, by all means, post it here.

Anybody knows of a nasi kandar or mamak joint that is willing to lend us their projector and white screen for an hour to hold a brown bag on turtles?? Tell them its part of their CSR

Be creative, be constructive... I leave it you.... let me know if help is required and we can seek out assistance from, well who else but from the MUWians themselves...

Belum cuba, belum tahu (you won't know it until you've tried it)

Good luck!

nanda666 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 16, 2008, 09:06:45 AM »

Quote from: shafi on April 15, 2008, 02:51:51 PM

If you know of anybody who is willing to give a 30min talk on turtles, by all means... post it here in this thread. If you know of any talks on marine conservation that is going on out there that we can attend, by all means, post it here.

Anybody knows of a nasi kandar or mamak joint that is willing to lend us their projector and white screen for an hour to hold a brown bag on turtles?? Tell them its part of their CSR

Be creative, be constructive... I leave it you.... let me know if help is required and we can seek out assistance from, well who else but from the MUWians themselves...

Belum cuba, belum tahu (you won't know it until you've tried it)

Good luck!

Well, my wife's company runs turtle conservation volunteer programmes in collaboration with UMT. (University Malaysia Terengganu)

I'll check with her and see if we can set up a TT session/workshop with them so that we can all better understand how everyone here can help even with small steps.

They are working with green, olive ridley and hawkbill turtles but due to the rareness of leatherbacks, i doubt they have a conservation program for it.

I'll get them to look into leatherbacks prior to our session, can?

I was not getting off the topic of this thread but just unsure how to "conserve" something that's not there on our coast anymore. (i.e. leatherback turtle)

All in good intention only.

Will keep you guys informed ASAP.

shafi · « **Reply #40 on:** April 16, 2008, 02:04:05 PM »

Excellent! Look forward to that...

shafi · « **Reply #41 on:** April 24, 2008, 09:23:03 AM »

Hey guys,

I am posting this reply here from Ms River Foo, WWF Malaysia.

I basically wrote to her about the recent turtle egg collections going on at Teluk Bakau, Redang and at Perhentian that is being reported to me... and this is her reply...

So i guess standard operating procedure from now on for anyone who comes across or knows of eggs being collected.

---

Dear Shafinaz,

It is great to know that someone is showing an immense interest in
turtle conservation.

After receiving your email, I have disucssed with my Team on this
matter.

To respond to your question, the whole of Redang and the two of
Perhentians are turtle reserve beaches, which means there are no
licenced egg collectors, and all eggs laid should go to the hatchery at
Pantai Ruang Tiga (Perhentian) & Mak Kepit (Redang) for incubation.
Department of Fisheries staffs there do patrol on boat, but sometimes
they were beaten to it by the poachers.

Can I suggest that you as a member of public to write to the press and
urge DoF to employ more staff to patrol the beaches, and urge state
government to ban consumption and sale of turtle eggs!!

The comment and concern from the public is very much powerful!

Thanks again.

p/s you can learn more about our work here by browsing www.wwf.org.my
my post primarily cover the work in Ma' Daerah area which you can
learn more too.

---

I am going to write to the media about this so anyone with photos of eggs being collected and sold, I would be grateful! You can email me at shafi@wildasia.net

Shafi

Mr T · « **Reply #42 on:** May 05, 2008, 11:45:11 AM »

Hi everyone I am a virgin to this forum so be kind to me

I manage a project called the Great Turtle Project which is organized by a company called Way Out Experiences or WOX. We have two major locations we work in Perhentian and Tioman.

Turtle egg poaching on Perhentian is a particular problem and I have taken photos of the poachers and given them to the turtle co-ordinator in the Fisheries Department Terengganu. I strongly urge you to do the same and with photos give dates, times and locations. Her name is Shireen Hing Chen Huey and can be contacted via email at sharonhing@yahoo.com she wants all the evidence she can get so lets supply her with loads of photos!

This is just one thing we all could do!

The other big problems for turtles (apart from egg poaching) is rubbish!

Its easy, reuse your plastic bags and recycle! What we do here in KL or wherever, ends up in the sea! Basically the sea is our trash can and what we do on land WILL affect the sea.

Fishing is another big problem esp tiger fishing or trawling! It is so easy to install a Turtle Excluder Device to a trawl net and they have been shown they can reduce turtle and shark bycatch by 90%! Lets push the fisheries to do something along these lines! We know enforcement is a joke so we as consumers can start to ask questions very very small at present I know but if we could start to push for Turtle/shark friendly fish (not in the market yet) – as they do in the UK with Dolphin friendly tuna and pay slightly higher for it the market forces would push the need for TED. I am writing to universities and the fisheries to trial the TEDs and other fishing methods you can lobby too! 1 in a 1000 hatchlings reach sexual maturity and in every trawl one turtle dies! If one boat performs 4 trawls a day that’s 4000 turtle eggs gone per trawl boat per day, so imagine how many turtles are killed in one year accidentally in trawl nets and then you can see the fight for turtle survival is with the fishermen – lets help the fishermen to make more money by using these techniques - money makes the world go round not good hearted people – make conservation economical and then and only then can we start to reverse the damage we have done!.

I call on all the MUW members to help stop the rape of the sea which is currently happening and use this thread and forum for ideas on how we can change our habits for the good of the sea.

Don’t wear suntan lotion in the sea
Always use Ecover soap
Reuse plastic bags!

There are hundreds of ways to amend our lifes – I have started a facebook group and we are discussing these exact things look at it and join the group called ‘The Great Sea Turtle Project’

If we don’t do anything and don’t push the government nothing will happen and we will again see these same threads but for green turtles!– ‘oh I remember when Redang had 1000 green turtle landings in one year its so sad, what can we do?’

Don’t let that happen and it will if we don’t join together and share our ideas and knowledge! Use this thread or the Great Sea Turtle Project facebook group to discuss how we could change our everyday lifes to help turtles and the marine environment in general.

Turtles have a gun pointed at their heads lets not let the trigger be pulled!

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #43 on:** May 05, 2008, 01:06:48 PM »

Hi Mr T. First and foremost, thank you for joining MUW. Could you make a short intro of yourself in the Introductions section, please? We would like to know the personal side of you too

Secondly, good stuff you guys do at WOX. I hope you can also start a thread on educating us laymen on how to help minimise human impact, especially of divers, on sea turtles.

Thanks.

Welcome again.

nanda666 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 05, 2008, 01:55:31 PM »

Quote from: Mr T on May 05, 2008, 11:45:11 AM

Hi everyone I am a virgin to this forum so be kind to me

I manage a project called the Great Turtle Project which is organized by a company called Way Out Experiences or WOX. We have two major locations we work in Perhentian and Tioman.

Turtle egg poaching on Perhentian is a particular problem and I have taken photos of the poachers and given them to the turtle co-ordinator in the Fisheries Department Terengganu. I strongly urge you to do the same and with photos give dates, times and locations. Her name is Shireen Hing Chen Huey and can be contacted via email at sharonhing@yahoo.com she wants all the evidence she can get so lets supply her with loads of photos!

This is just one thing we all could do!

The other big problems for turtles (apart from egg poaching) is rubbish!

Its easy, reuse your plastic bags and recycle! What we do here in KL or wherever, ends up in the sea! Basically the sea is our trash can and what we do on land WILL affect the sea.

Fishing is another big problem esp tiger fishing or trawling! It is so easy to install a Turtle Excluder Device to a trawl net and they have been shown they can reduce turtle and shark bycatch by 90%! Lets push the fisheries to do something along these lines! We know enforcement is a joke so we as consumers can start to ask questions very very small at present I know but if we could start to push for Turtle/shark friendly fish (not in the market yet) – as they do in the UK with Dolphin friendly tuna and pay slightly higher for it the market forces would push the need for TED. I am writing to universities and the fisheries to trial the TEDs and other fishing methods you can lobby too! 1 in a 1000 hatchlings reach sexual maturity and in every trawl one turtle dies! If one boat performs 4 trawls a day that’s 4000 turtle eggs gone per trawl boat per day, so imagine how many turtles are killed in one year accidentally in trawl nets and then you can see the fight for turtle survival is with the fishermen – lets help the fishermen to make more money by using these techniques - money makes the world go round not good hearted people – make conservation economical and then and only then can we start to reverse the damage we have done!.

I call on all the MUW members to help stop the rape of the sea which is currently happening and use this thread and forum for ideas on how we can change our habits for the good of the sea.

Don’t wear suntan lotion in the sea
Always use Ecover soap
Reuse plastic bags!

There are hundreds of ways to amend our lifes – I have started a facebook group and we are discussing these exact things look at it and join the group called ‘The Great Sea Turtle Project’

If we don’t do anything and don’t push the government nothing will happen and we will again see these same threads but for green turtles!– ‘oh I remember when Redang had 1000 green turtle landings in one year its so sad, what can we do?’

Don’t let that happen and it will if we don’t join together and share our ideas and knowledge! Use this thread or the Great Sea Turtle Project facebook group to discuss how we could change our everyday lifes to help turtles and the marine environment in general.

Turtles have a gun pointed at their heads lets not let the trigger be pulled!

hey Mr.T!! good to see you found the MUW forum!!! So...when you gonna give that turtle talk???

Do talk to shafi and lets organize something la.... I'll help too!!

Good stuff buddy!!!

shafi · « **Reply #45 on:** May 06, 2008, 06:37:05 AM »

Hi T,

Thanks for putting that very informative post. I would like to meet to discuss some long-term strategies. Am currently in Sandakan (for a week) talking to another conservation group and others on A Plan, a long -term plan, which seems to work with another extremely endangered species.

I'll be in KL only for one night, Saturday night on the 10th, before I fly out to KB and head to Perhentian Besar for 5 days. I'll be at either PIR or Tuna Bay. Any night watches/patrol going on during those nights?

Any of you guys going to be there?

If anything, I'm contactable at shafi[at]wildasia.net.*

Cheers.

*{at} is the @ sign. dont want to get spam to my work mail.

Mr T · « **Reply #46 on:** May 06, 2008, 09:40:25 AM »

Hi Shafi

I will be in Perhentian until 4pmish on the 11th May at Tanjung Tukas, Bubbles. what time you arriving?

Would be great to have a chat.

My email is daniel@w-o-x.com if you want to pass on your phone number then we could try to arrange to meet.

Cheers

Mr T

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #47 on:** May 06, 2008, 10:09:50 AM »

Hi Mr T,

Could you do an introduction of yourself in the INTRODUCTIONS section, please?

Thank you.

shafi · « **Reply #48 on:** May 08, 2008, 08:45:23 PM »

Okay... after some thoughts on the posts here...

There are licensed egg collectors and sellers... So the turtle eggs we see in the market may well be legal, provided they were not collected on the beaches of Redang and Perhentian, which are gazetted turtle sanctuaries.

Furthermore, the turtle eggs sold are probably the ones either not fertilized or already damaged (as our bro mentioned earlier). So in Pasar Payang, the eggs could be well be those within the categories mentioned above.

How can we tell between fertilised eggs and rejects? They look very different in colour and shape. I've yet to put that skill to test though...

Anyone can share? Photos of fertilised vs unfertilised eggs or something?

Bobo® · « **Reply #49 on:** May 09, 2008, 12:36:14 AM »

Quote from: shafi on May 08, 2008, 08:45:23 PM

Okay... after some thoughts on the posts here...

There are licensed egg collectors and sellers... So the turtle eggs we see in the market may well be legal, provided they were not collected on the beaches of Redang and Perhentian, which are gazetted turtle sanctuaries.

Furthermore, the turtle eggs sold are probably the ones either not fertilized or already damaged (as our bro mentioned earlier). So in Pasar Payang, the eggs could be well be those within the categories mentioned above.

How can we tell between fertilised eggs and rejects? They look very different in colour and shape. I've yet to put that skill to test though...

Anyone can share? Photos of fertilised vs unfertilised eggs or something?

ok i try to put in in words as the pictures went haywire dunno where...

try to put up a torchlight behind an turtle egg, u can see a silhouette of the egg yolk, that is the fertilize egg. and if u see nothing, so its not fertilized. And this is alarming now as we have a lot of female turtles with less male turtles to mate.

But worry not, average we've already released the various species of turtlets from around 1999 and hopefully after 30 years (maturity), on 2029 onwards, we will see those leatherbacks, greens, hawksbill and olive rigdley will come over again to Malaysian waters.

But we have to put a BIG PERIOD now on turtle egg sales, capturing, killing, habitat pollution and clearing.

There will be something in Utusan Malaysia this Saturday... watched out.

Mr T · « **Reply #50 on:** May 31, 2008, 03:40:22 PM »

Thats really interesting

Would you be able to send the photos to my email account daniel(a)w-o-x.com. Whether the eggs are fertile or not would be really useful information to collect.

Cheers

T

nanda666 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 02, 2008, 08:41:50 AM »

Heard you're back in KL from the turtle conservation program in Perhentian. Are you gonna do the "turtle talk" for MUW??

Why don't you put the "when and where" here and we can all attend.

Hope to hear from you soon.

w_knight · « **Reply #52 on:** June 03, 2008, 08:17:27 AM »

i think the next best thing to do is to educate the fishermen or those egg/turtle sellers and also "guide" them the alternate source of income instead of doing all these .. is like teaching them to fish rather then give them the fish.

Just my thought ... is pretty sad to hear all those sad things ...

shafi · « **Reply #53 on:** June 03, 2008, 11:04:50 PM »

Quote from: nanda666 on June 02, 2008, 08:41:50 AM

Heard you're back in KL from the turtle conservation program in Perhentian. Are you gonna do the "turtle talk" for MUW??

Why don't you put the "when and where" here and we can all attend.

Hope to hear from you soon.

I am hardly back in KL!! I was not in Perhentian for a turtle conservation thingie. I was in Perhentian for the SIP (May 30-June 1).

Got home from the SIP in Perhentian at like 1am and left the house at 6am for some audit work in Pahang (this entire week). I'm going to Tioman this Thursday for the 2nd SIP and on Sunday evening I am off to Sabah for a week for another audit. From Sabah, I'll be in Perhentian again for SIP #3, before i attend a planters' conference in T'ganu for 2 days and fly off again to Sabah for 4 days (more audits).

Then I am in Indonesia... Pekan Baru to be exact.

KL??? Erm, maybe in end July? August will be my round of talks...

Will let you know when and where....

nanda666 · « **Reply #54 on:** June 04, 2008, 08:45:25 AM »

Quote from: shafi on June 03, 2008, 11:04:50 PM

Quote from: nanda666 on June 02, 2008, 08:41:50 AM
Heard you're back in KL from the turtle conservation program in Perhentian. Are you gonna do the "turtle talk" for MUW??

Why don't you put the "when and where" here and we can all attend.

Hope to hear from you soon.

I am hardly back in KL!! I was not in Perhentian for a turtle conservation thingie. I was in Perhentian for the SIP (May 30-June 1).

Got home from the SIP in Perhentian at like 1am and left the house at 6am for some audit work in Pahang (this entire week). I'm going to Tioman this Thursday for the 2nd SIP and on Sunday evening I am off to Sabah for a week for another audit. From Sabah, I'll be in Perhentian again for SIP #3, before i attend a planters' conference in T'ganu for 2 days and fly off again to Sabah for 4 days (more audits).

Then I am in Indonesia... Pekan Baru to be exact.

KL??? Erm, maybe in end July? August will be my round of talks...

Will let you know when and where....

Sorry Shafi...was refering to Mr. T.

shafi · « **Reply #55 on:** June 04, 2008, 12:51:43 PM »

Oh good

Mr T · « **Reply #56 on:** June 16, 2008, 10:34:48 PM »

I will be in KL on the 4th of July then going to Kampung Bari Kecil to check out a new turtle project site - could be interesting mixing aquaculture with turtle conservation. At present the area recieves turtles each night but most are poached so we are looking to work with the village and show them how to farm abalones instead of turtle eggs. could be good but all in early stages.

Perhaps i could give a talk with Shafi in August? i will be around between 2nd and 5th August but in the meantime why not go to Bubbles at Perhentian or the TAT project at Tioman.

T

miezegreat · « **Reply #57 on:** June 17, 2008, 12:24:22 PM »

Quote from: Mr T on June 16, 2008, 10:34:48 PM

I will be in KL on the 4th of July then going to Kampung Bari Kecil to check out a new turtle project site - could be interesting mixing aquaculture with turtle conservation. At present the area recieves turtles each night but most are poached so we are looking to work with the village and show them how to farm abalones instead of turtle eggs. could be good but all in early stages.

Perhaps i could give a talk with Shafi in August? i will be around between 2nd and 5th August but in the meantime why not go to Bubbles at Perhentian or the TAT project at Tioman.

T

Hi Mr T,
Where in Tioman is the TAT Project? And what does TAT stands for?
Here in KL, I understand that KLCC Aquaria is doing 'adopt a turtle' programme as well, but am not really sure how it's done. There is a list of names of the adopters. Will need to check the website again.

PasKaL · « **Reply #58 on:** June 17, 2008, 12:31:57 PM »

blup blup...