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Ian J · « **on:** February 08, 2011, 03:51:15 AM »

More disturbing news...............
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_631541.html

ericliow · « **Reply #1 on:** February 08, 2011, 05:42:36 PM »

another sad story......

vash_h · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2011, 09:50:12 AM »

as i have posted in another thread somewhere here, you can safely enjoy sharkfin soup.

here is the post i posted there.. lazy to type again so just copy and paste.

bro.. hate to burst your bubble, but most of the sharkfin soups is FAKE.

you can go ahead and continue enjoying your sharkfin soup. they are all confirmed FAKE unless they cost RM100 per bowl.
these substitutes are WAY MUCH MUCH cheaper than 'real' sharkfin as they are vegetable based.

there are the 2 popular substitutes.
1, a type of gourd (dont remember the name in english, but when translated from chinese, it is called fish fin gourd).. after letting it dry, they extract the insides of the gourd (a type of plant) and viola! when cooked, taste just like shark fin.

2, JELLY..

so, go ahead and enjoy sharkfin soup in wedding dinners and so on. there is NO sharks harmed in the soup.

BON APPETITE!!

once at a wedding dinner, there were 2 guys saying 'EWL.. sharkfin soup! how can you guys eat these things.. and so on.. to the point i was embarrassed to be in the same race as them, as they made chinese sound soooo disgusting.' i was so disgusted with them i wanted to slap them. so the remaining 8 of enjoyed the extra 'soup' portions and didnt bother telling them this is not real sharkfin soup. its called sharkfin soup because historically, it used sharkfin. sharkfin does even have TASTE!! thts y making substitutes is SOOO EASY..

same thing applies, why is ASIA JAYA LRT Station called ASIA JAYA? because there is a complex there that is called asia jaya ages ago (now ARMADA HOTEL). and was already a hotel (different name) before the LRT station was even planned.

for all those 'noble' anti-sharkfin activist, KNOW your soup, KNOW what you are saying, DO research and THINK before you go around shouting anti-this and anti-that.

in malaysia, there is almost no place selling sharkfin soup using real sharkfin. there is a few restaurants but most is not.

xkirkie · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2011, 02:24:36 AM »

Quote from: vash_h on March 13, 2011, 09:50:12 AM

as i have posted in another thread somewhere here, you can safely enjoy sharkfin soup.

here is the post i posted there.. lazy to type again so just copy and paste.

bro.. hate to burst your bubble, but most of the sharkfin soups is FAKE.

you can go ahead and continue enjoying your sharkfin soup. they are all confirmed FAKE unless they cost RM100 per bowl.
these substitutes are WAY MUCH MUCH cheaper than 'real' sharkfin as they are vegetable based.

there are the 2 popular substitutes.
1, a type of gourd (dont remember the name in english, but when translated from chinese, it is called fish fin gourd).. after letting it dry, they extract the insides of the gourd (a type of plant) and viola! when cooked, taste just like shark fin.

2, JELLY..

so, go ahead and enjoy sharkfin soup in wedding dinners and so on. there is NO sharks harmed in the soup.

BON APPETITE!!

once at a wedding dinner, there were 2 guys saying 'EWL.. sharkfin soup! how can you guys eat these things.. and so on.. to the point i was embarrassed to be in the same race as them, as they made chinese sound soooo disgusting.' i was so disgusted with them i wanted to slap them. so the remaining 8 of enjoyed the extra 'soup' portions and didnt bother telling them this is not real sharkfin soup. its called sharkfin soup because historically, it used sharkfin. sharkfin does even have TASTE!! thts y making substitutes is SOOO EASY..

same thing applies, why is ASIA JAYA LRT Station called ASIA JAYA? because there is a complex there that is called asia jaya ages ago (now ARMADA HOTEL). and was already a hotel (different name) before the LRT station was even planned.

for all those 'noble' anti-sharkfin activist, KNOW your soup, KNOW what you are saying, DO research and THINK before you go around shouting anti-this and anti-that.

in malaysia, there is almost no place selling sharkfin soup using real sharkfin. there is a few restaurants but most is not.

Hi Harold,

I understand that you Love Shark fin Soup, you have been promoting fake shark fin soup.My question to you, So when you attend a wedding banquet, would you assume the fin is fake n happily slurping it? you stated somewhere i read, you had confirm 3 restaurants is serving FAKE SFS, would you have conclusion on the fin soup you had is all fake?
you did mention that real fin soup would cost over rm 100 a bowl? are you sure on this? base on what?

Below, some pictures taken in Malaysia's wet market, as you will notice the fins are still attached n they are not expensive :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=135094689845111&set=a.130557233632190.17195.115364818484765&theater
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=16585&id=115364818484765
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=89290814972&set=t.592858991
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150233416425481&set=t.592858991
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150233415515481&set=t.592858991
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=400115087171&set=t.592858991

This is the fins you are consuming, low grade fins from small n baby shark...
Where does the big fins goes?
singapore, hong kong n china!!!

I really dont think the fin soup you having in wedding banquet are really fake...
I assume you are not married n will not serve sfs on your wedding banquet (Thank you), lets say if you are not aware of this n will host ur wedding banquet.
Will you consider serving FAKE shark fin to your family, relative, business partner,friends, clients, customers n respective guests? Knowing that some may notice n talk behind you? paiseh leh...
If you attend a good reception dinner in some grand hotel, they would not serve fake stuff.
(I have no longer attend wedding serving Shark Fin Soup)

I m not sure if you are aware Malaysia is the top ten Shark Fin catcher/exporter in the world contributing of 2.9%?
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/30/shark.finning/index.html?hpt=Sbin

http://www.traffic.org/home/2011/1/27/shark-populations-dwindle-as-top-catchers-delay-on-conservat.html

Harold, are you a diver? do you concern about the no. of Sharks being harvest annually? will you please stop promoting Shark Fin Soup/Fake Shark Fin Soup?

Below me interviewing a chef/owner of a restaurant serving SFS :
http://thestaronline.tv/v/6090

If you go to Ming Tien for SFS, that i can confirm FAKE...

Go ENJOY YOUR FAKE SFS...He Truly believe that if you consume fish, it is ok to consume MOLA-MOLA!!!http://www.facebook.com/SharkFinCrisis
Cheers Buddy,
Kirk Lee
kirk__76@hotmail.com
http://thestaronline.tv/v/6404

vash_h · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2011, 07:10:35 AM »

i wont bother replying this thread.. its just another copy & paste flame..

SuperAdmin · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2011, 09:31:18 AM »

To everyone who sent reports on the sharks fin posts, thank you.

vash_h is not being banned because he is entitled to his own opinion.

If anyone starts making threats, please let me know.

xkirkie · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2011, 11:47:01 AM »

Quote from: SuperAdmin on March 14, 2011, 09:31:18 AM

To everyone who sent reports on the sharks fin posts, thank you.

vash_h is not being banned because he is entitled to his own opinion.

If anyone starts making threats, please let me know.

Reports? really we can do this? where?

vash_h came in without any facts n start asking people to DO RESEARCH.
Condemning most report n facts are made up.
Ignoring all the facts n conclude with it is ok to have your SHARK FIN SOUP.

Knowing he would change topic n story with his twist.
So sian to answer him,

*Not sure how much he donate to green peace, i spent more than 3k last year

nanda666 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2011, 12:04:30 PM »

I honestly feel there is no reason to get upset with anyone. All points of view presented were actually quite valid but not correctly presented.

I think Vash_h should be advocating people TO ENSURE THAT THE SHARKFIN SOUP THAT THEY CONSUME IS FAKE and confirm that it contains NO SHARKFINS.

I would love to be at a Chinese wedding dinner where they annouce that the SFS is free of actual sharkfin or done in a hotel/restaurant that is clearly labelled SF free.

But to go around telling everyone that SFS (In general) is ALL fake unless you pay USD 100 for it, is a gross misrepresentation of information.

SuperAdmin · « **Reply #8 on:** March 14, 2011, 12:38:17 PM »

I said stop sending more reports. The next one who does so will get banned.

xkirkie · « **Reply #9 on:** March 14, 2011, 12:50:32 PM »

Quote from: SuperAdmin on March 14, 2011, 12:38:17 PM

I said stop sending more reports. The next one who does so will get banned.

Admin,

Where n when you told us to stop sending report? Sorry if i missed it...

Cheers...

xkirkie · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2011, 12:57:47 PM »

I have been labeled

"its the red headed mr kirk here thats not really stable.."

by vash_h here :
http://malaysianunderwater.com/smff/environment-education/should-we-just-back-n-watch-save-our-sharks-from-a-bowl-of-soup-(malaysia)/msg111810/?topicseen#new

does this consider a personal attack?
"red headed & not really stable"

vash_h · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2011, 06:48:21 PM »

i posted that when u started to get personal and exposing my identity on the net on a public domain such as facebook.

perhaps you should look at ur own post my dear friend.

nanda.. i would be very happy if they would do that.. but sadly, they wont as it is no good for business.

i have my research and i have journals on the usage of fake shark fins.. and a study done on its feasibility in the market when i was in the F&B industry, but sadly i cannot disclose those on public domain as those are P&C of the manufacturers and a non-disclosure i signed. thats y i keep urging you guys to do more research.. on both sides of the story.

ppl who wants REAL fins out-numbers those who support substitute (and many do not know it exist). like mr kirk mentioned before in one of his many posts, a lot of uncles will get offended not eating the real thing. thus there are restaurants out there serving fake shark fins rather than real ones.. but they do not disclose it. secretly and quietly saving the shark population.

some serves a mixture of real and fakes.. but hack, better than using ONLY real fins..

i hope this clears things up. i do not support the usage of real shark fins but rather support the usage of fake ones. you cant kill the old habit of the old uncles's love for shark fin soup.. temporarily the fake shark fins will do the job, and on the long run, the serving of shark fins will gradually decline due to unpopular demand from the younger generation.. which soon will be becoming older generation.

please do not ask me to disclose my research here. i cant and i will not due to NDA i signed.

thats all i have to say on this subject. you can accept the idea that fake shark fins will ultimately save more sharks than 'stop eating shark fins soup'. believe it or not, if u dont drink your soup, someone else will do.. such as the guy that sits next to you or the kitchen stafff/waiter/waitress.. it will get consumed.

hard to imagine i was asked to get banned just because i was trying to shed some light into the usage of fake shark fins without breaching my NDA..

Ketam · « **Reply #12 on:** March 14, 2011, 07:35:47 PM »

This is subject very close to the heart to many divers. Some are really very passionate about the subject. Nobody should judge another person believe and thoughts. But as Ketam stated before.... Ketam's stand is to skip SFS. Even if the SFS is fake or otherwise. If by that small step.... somebody around Ketam... skipped theirs too... and somewhere along the line somebody actually stopped consuming Real SFS because of Ketam's small action then it will enough for Ketam.

This is not an act of changing our personal eating habit but more of changing of mindsets.

decimal86 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2011, 09:14:06 PM »

Quote from: Ketam on March 14, 2011, 07:35:47 PM

This is subject very close to the heart to many divers. Some are really very passionate about the subject. Nobody should judge another person believe and thoughts. But as Ketam stated before.... Ketam's stand is to skip SFS. Even if the SFS is fake or otherwise. If by that small step.... somebody around Ketam... skipped theirs too... and somewhere along the line somebody actually stopped consuming Real SFS because of Ketam's small action then it will enough for Ketam.

This is not an act of changing our personal eating habit but more of changing of mindsets.

i totally agree brudder, plain and simple....just avoid SFS and make a stand.

sharkus biteus · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2011, 10:16:07 PM »

whoa, this topic is getting HOTTT. i must admit there are some of us who are very passionate abt our sharks. 100 million sharks a year for the industry is NO JOKE, and we pay good money to go to the sea to catch a glimpse of one or two, IF we're lucky.

I used to enjoy shark-fin soup, but after starting my dive adventures, and meeting passionate and committed ppl such as xkirkie, i have given it up, and i would be join any protest outside shops selling shark-fins and soup. btw have u guys seen the amount of shark fins for sale in KK? its sold openly and from some huge sharks. sigh...

love our sharks. the finning industry is pretty cruel and doesnt even provide fish meat for us cos it is thrown back in after cutting the fins off.

i'd say, to truly appreciate this, be a diver or snorkeller or just a nature and sea-lover. then you'd know how bad over-fishing can be..when there are empty oceans and reefs. sad but happening all over malaysia.

nanda666 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2011, 11:27:54 AM »

Quote from: vash_h on March 14, 2011, 06:48:21 PM

i posted that when u started to get personal and exposing my identity on the net on a public domain such as facebook.

perhaps you should look at ur own post my dear friend.

nanda.. i would be very happy if they would do that.. but sadly, they wont as it is no good for business.

i have my research and i have journals on the usage of fake shark fins.. and a study done on its feasibility in the market when i was in the F&B industry, but sadly i cannot disclose those on public domain as those are P&C of the manufacturers and a non-disclosure i signed. thats y i keep urging you guys to do more research.. on both sides of the story.

ppl who wants REAL fins out-numbers those who support substitute (and many do not know it exist). like mr kirk mentioned before in one of his many posts, a lot of uncles will get offended not eating the real thing. thus there are restaurants out there serving fake shark fins rather than real ones.. but they do not disclose it. secretly and quietly saving the shark population.

some serves a mixture of real and fakes.. but hack, better than using ONLY real fins..

i hope this clears things up. i do not support the usage of real shark fins but rather support the usage of fake ones. you cant kill the old habit of the old uncles's love for shark fin soup.. temporarily the fake shark fins will do the job, and on the long run, the serving of shark fins will gradually decline due to unpopular demand from the younger generation.. which soon will be becoming older generation.

please do not ask me to disclose my research here. i cant and i will not due to NDA i signed.

thats all i have to say on this subject. you can accept the idea that fake shark fins will ultimately save more sharks than 'stop eating shark fins soup'. believe it or not, if u dont drink your soup, someone else will do.. such as the guy that sits next to you or the kitchen stafff/waiter/waitress.. it will get consumed.

hard to imagine i was asked to get banned just because i was trying to shed some light into the usage of fake shark fins without breaching my NDA..

Hi Vash_h.

Good stuff and thanks for the insight on the new approach. (Serving fake but telling the "old uncles" it's real!!) I could honestly see this working better than the screaming "NO TO SHARK FINS" in street corners.

I find the same issue exist with turtle eggs consumption on the East coast. The "pakciks" (Malay for uncles) there are the same as the "old uncles" la......

Wouldn't it be great if we can switch turtle eggs with something sustainable and not tell too????

vash_h · « **Reply #16 on:** March 16, 2011, 01:24:32 AM »

im afraid turtle eggs is a bit more difficult. interesting on how it isnt banned.. the gov talks about turtle conservation but u can buy the eggs in the market..

if only there is substitute to turtle eggs. perhaps ostrich eggs?

xkirkie · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2011, 01:50:35 AM »

vash_h

I really do hope you have facts to back you up, but really sorry i dont buy it so far.
I hope you dont hit the drum if you have no facts with you that SFS that serve in Restaurant that claim by the restaurant are real Shark Fin but your comments
"FAKE Shark Fin, go ahead n enjoy your next bowl of Shark Fin Soup"

You did mention that you were in F & B, could you provide more detail to back you on this, (i hope you dont reply, oh, it is too personal n not to be reveal...) i'm sure you are proud of what you did as a profession...

I know that you dont support Shark Finning for Shark Fin Soup (right?) please help us to understand if you are real on what you said.

A note for you my friend, i m against Shark Fin Soup. it is very sensitive when you just show out of no where, asking people too consume SFS n telling everyone that i dont research? Research what? Who is selling real SFS, who is not? i have no time for this... as even if i know Restaurant A serve fake SFS, i would not promote it... so why this will have interest on me? can you tell me? My mission is to create awareness n educate people on Shark Fin Crisis n not to be a part of the Consumer, When the buying STOP, the killing can too. simple as that, What have i done wrong, why you have to step on my turf? my page on facebook n all my post on MUW? for the facts i knew that you had just deleted your post on my page, i have Print screen on it... (Not a threat my friend) but i do very careful when i feel things are not right...

I love to hear good news n facts of what you claim? how many % Shark Fin Soup in Malaysia is fake n real? As i really don't have such data n love to know if it is true...

If anyone from MUW have some facts, i love to hear from you to support my campaign n cause.

Cheers,
Kirk Lee
Founder of Save Our Sharks From A Bowl Of Soup.
www.facebook.com/SharkFinCrisis

Ketam · « **Reply #18 on:** March 16, 2011, 02:54:36 AM »

Quote from: Ketam on March 14, 2011, 07:35:47 PM

This is not an act of changing our personal eating habit but more of changing of mindsets.

Just to add something here.... on what I meant about mindset

People just aren’t satisfied with something that looks, tastes, and feels exactly the same as the real thing. For them, it has to involve the death of a beautiful shark.

Ketam · « **Reply #19 on:** March 16, 2011, 03:19:38 AM »

Quote from: vash_h on March 16, 2011, 01:24:32 AM

im afraid turtle eggs is a bit more difficult. interesting on how it isnt banned.. the gov talks about turtle conservation but u can buy the eggs in the market..

if only there is substitute to turtle eggs. perhaps ostrich eggs?

Malaysia signed the IUCN agreement several years ago making it illegal for the sale, consumption, or collecting of any endangered species illegal.
However they never passed this on a state level. It is actually legal to obtain a permit to collect Sea Turtle Eggs in Malaysia for sale.
This needs to be changed, currently it is not really illegal, but more of a debate.

http://www.greenfudge.org/2010/03/10/aye-sea-turtles-malaysias-craving-for-turtle-eggs-pushes-them-closer-to-extinction/

The campaign has been spurred by disturbing trends that has developed in recent years. Many domestic tourists who arrive in Terengganu buy and eat turtle eggs out of curiosity. Even tour guides help sell this activity by saying that it is a “must do” when tourists come to Terengganu.

Fueled by an increasing demand, an ever-increasing supply of turtle eggs have found their way into the markets of Malaysia, especially along the east coast. Many of the eggs have been smuggled over from East Malaysia (Sabah and Sarawak) where the sale of turtle eggs has been banned by law. A recent report from Manila has revealed that thousands of turtle eggs are also being smuggled from the Philippines into Malaysia.

Ready markets for turtle eggs in West Malaysia are encouraging the illegal smuggling and poaching of turtle eggs. We hope to let the supply die a natural death by eliminating the demand for turtle eggs by ordinary members of the public.

http://www.turtleconservationcentre.org/projects/say-no-to-turtle-eggs-campaign/

In the east coast, turtle eggs consumption is actually battle with the lawmakers. It is not a required or even popular consumption by the locals anymore. The delicacy factor is now the driving force for their sale. These are Ketam's view, without any lengthy research. Are everybody here in unison against the consumption of turtle eggs?

xkirkie · « **Reply #20 on:** March 16, 2011, 03:28:02 AM »

I love to meet Sharks in Ocean alive swimming, that is not all but most diver would pay to see, n if i love SFS n still a consumer, my personal comment is "There is no 2 edge sword here" it is like my example above, you just cant eat tiger or panda to preserve them from going extinction... 1/3 Sharks are being threat of extinction, Sharks have been living on this earth for more than 400 millions years, more that 100million years before the Dinosaurs, survives 5 mass extinctions, nature works is such way that we human dont fully understand, Sharks play a very important role in our ocean ecosystem, everyone knows that Photosynthesis are essential n life pack to live on earth, but do you know that more than 70% O2 we breath are from Ocean not from plant on land? more than 73millions of Sharks harvested annually... this will effect the ecosystem of our ocean when Sharks are removed...

*Note : i m not a Shark Expert or Marine Biology, i m just an ordinary person, the info. is from my understanding from my research from the net, if you have any doubt n thinks that i m wrong, i would love to hear facts...

http://vimeo.com/16811009

Kirk Lee
Save Our Sharks From A Bowl Of Soup
www.facebook.com.SharkFinCrisis

nanda666 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 16, 2011, 12:40:39 PM »

Quote from: xkirkie on March 16, 2011, 03:28:02 AM

I love to meet Sharks in Ocean alive swimming, that is not all but most diver would pay to see, n if i love SFS n still a consumer, my personal comment is "There is no 2 edge sword here" it is like my example above, you just cant eat tiger or panda to preserve them from going extinction... 1/3 Sharks are being threat of extinction, Sharks have been living on this earth for more than 400 millions years, more that 100million years before the Dinosaurs, survives 5 mass extinctions, nature works is such way that we human dont fully understand, Sharks play a very important role in our ocean ecosystem, everyone knows that Photosynthesis are essential n life pack to live on earth, but do you know that more than 70% O2 we breath are from Ocean not from plant on land? more than 73millions of Sharks harvested annually... this will effect the ecosystem of our ocean when Sharks are removed...

*Note : i m not a Shark Expert or Marine Biology, i m just an ordinary person, the info. is from my understanding from my research from the net, if you have any doubt n thinks that i m wrong, i would love to hear facts...

http://vimeo.com/16811009

Kirk Lee
Save Our Sharks From A Bowl Of Soup
www.facebook.com.SharkFinCrisis

Hi Kirk.

As I said before, it seems that we're all on the same page. Just with different execution plans.

Vash_h view is that we're not going to succeed in convincing a whole load of people including the expanding population of China, etc in time to save the sharks. So let's deceive them into thinking their eating the real thing...... Sharks will be saved.

Your view is to educate......Sharks will be saved.

Ketam.......I don't eat and my friends & family don't eat.....Sharks will be saved.

My view..........if they survived a 100 million years...they're probably smarter than us.....they'd probably figure out that if they stay in deeper water or in protected waters, they'll be fine, etc.....sharks will be saved. (Although they may have to do it themselves!!!

) I'll join any of the guys above and help all I can with whatever you're doing too!!!

Heard somewhere that certain parts of Australia are having TOO MANY great whites due to the protection.....any truth in that???

xkirkie · « **Reply #22 on:** March 16, 2011, 02:52:47 PM »

As I said before, it seems that we're all on the same page. Just with different execution plans.
> Agree, What is your plan My friend?

Vash_h view is that we're not going to succeed in convincing a whole load of people including the expanding population of China, etc in time to save the sharks. So let's deceive them into thinking their eating the real thing...... Sharks will be saved.
>Nanda666 are you sure this is what vash_h commented?
You meant Restaurant is claiming A FAKE FIN, a REAL FIN? if this is facts n true, This really an offence/against the law to such claim on a product, but serving Shark Fin Soup is totally legal in Malaysia...

Your view is to educate......Sharks will be saved.
>Yes

Ketam.......I don't eat and my friends & family don't eat.....Sharks will be saved.
>Tq for not contributing to the figure... : )

My view..........if they survived a 100 million years...they're probably smarter than us.....they'd probably figure out that if they stay in deeper water or in protected waters, they'll be fine, etc.....sharks will be saved. (Although they may have to do it themselves!!! ) I'll join any of the guys above and help all I can with whatever you're doing too!!!
>Shark is fish, they survive more than 400 millions year, it is part of God's plan for nature to work their way up but we human seem to take things into our hands...

Heard somewhere that certain parts of Australia are having TOO MANY great whites due to the protection.....any truth in that???
Over Populated? not true, Great White are listed under endangered.

---------------------------------------------

Still waiting for our friend vash_h to reply my comment :

vash_h

I really do hope you have facts to back you up, but really sorry i dont buy it so far.
I hope you dont hit the drum if you have no facts with you that SFS that serve in Restaurant that claim by the restaurant are real Shark Fin but your comments
"FAKE Shark Fin, go ahead n enjoy your next bowl of Shark Fin Soup"

You did mention that you were in F & B, could you provide more detail to back you on this, (i hope you dont reply, oh, it is too personal n not to be reveal...) i'm sure you are proud of what you did as a profession...

I know that you dont support Shark Finning for Shark Fin Soup (right?) please help us to understand if you are real on what you said.

A note for you my friend, i m against Shark Fin Soup. it is very sensitive when you just show out of no where, asking people too consume SFS n telling everyone that i dont research? Research what? Who is selling real SFS, who is not? i have no time for this... as even if i know Restaurant A serve fake SFS, i would not promote it... so why this will have interest on me? can you tell me? My mission is to create awareness n educate people on Shark Fin Crisis n not to be a part of the Consumer, When the buying STOP, the killing can too. simple as that, What have i done wrong, why you have to step on my turf? my page on facebook n all my post on MUW? for the facts i knew that you had just deleted your post on my page, i have Print screen on it... (Not a threat my friend) but i do very careful when i feel things are not right...

I love to hear good news n facts of what you claim? how many % Shark Fin Soup in Malaysia is fake n real? As i really don't have such data n love to know if it is true...

If anyone from MUW have some facts, i love to hear from you to support my campaign n cause.

Cheers,
Kirk Lee
Founder of Save Our Sharks From A Bowl Of Soup.
www.facebook.com/SharkFinCrisis

reztitan · « **Reply #23 on:** March 16, 2011, 03:56:23 PM »

I support the saving of shark from a bowl of soup. I think what kirk did was fantastic.

However I do understand what vash trying to say. Using fake shark fin to replace the real one in hoping to lower the killing of sharks. But I not sure it would actually work though. Meaning the rich will still be consuming.

The booming economics of china mainland means more people can afford to consume shark fin soup now. To replace this soup 'which once consumed only by the emperor' is seemingly more impossible now than before. Some people just cant be reason with when it comes to food, especially with the newly rich.

Individually we can only stop eating shark fin soup from now. Still believing in the old saying, when the buying stop the kill will stop too.
But I think saving the sharks or not, in the end its all down to the governments.

*Hey kirk, why not convert your funding from greenpeace to the sea shepherd? I think what they did to the japanese whalers should be replicate in sharks . Enough media converage will create enough world attentions to governments all across the world to ban shark finning.

vash_h · « **Reply #24 on:** March 16, 2011, 10:49:32 PM »

Quote from: xkirkie on March 16, 2011, 02:52:47 PM

As I said before, it seems that we're all on the same page. Just with different execution plans.
> Agree, What is your plan My friend?

Vash_h view is that we're not going to succeed in convincing a whole load of people including the expanding population of China, etc in time to save the sharks. So let's deceive them into thinking their eating the real thing...... Sharks will be saved.
>Nanda666 are you sure this is what vash_h commented?
You meant Restaurant is claiming A FAKE FIN, a REAL FIN? if this is facts n true, This really an offence/against the law to such claim on a product, but serving Shark Fin Soup is totally legal in Malaysia...

Your view is to educate......Sharks will be saved.
>Yes

Ketam.......I don't eat and my friends & family don't eat.....Sharks will be saved.
>Tq for not contributing to the figure... : )

My view..........if they survived a 100 million years...they're probably smarter than us.....they'd probably figure out that if they stay in deeper water or in protected waters, they'll be fine, etc.....sharks will be saved. (Although they may have to do it themselves!!! ) I'll join any of the guys above and help all I can with whatever you're doing too!!!
>Shark is fish, they survive more than 400 millions year, it is part of God's plan for nature to work their way up but we human seem to take things into our hands...

Heard somewhere that certain parts of Australia are having TOO MANY great whites due to the protection.....any truth in that???
Over Populated? not true, Great White are listed under endangered.

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Still waiting for our friend vash_h to reply my comment :

vash_h

I really do hope you have facts to back you up, but really sorry i dont buy it so far.
I hope you dont hit the drum if you have no facts with you that SFS that serve in Restaurant that claim by the restaurant are real Shark Fin but your comments
"FAKE Shark Fin, go ahead n enjoy your next bowl of Shark Fin Soup"

You did mention that you were in F & B, could you provide more detail to back you on this, (i hope you dont reply, oh, it is too personal n not to be reveal...) i'm sure you are proud of what you did as a profession...

I know that you dont support Shark Finning for Shark Fin Soup (right?) please help us to understand if you are real on what you said.

A note for you my friend, i m against Shark Fin Soup. it is very sensitive when you just show out of no where, asking people too consume SFS n telling everyone that i dont research? Research what? Who is selling real SFS, who is not? i have no time for this... as even if i know Restaurant A serve fake SFS, i would not promote it... so why this will have interest on me? can you tell me? My mission is to create awareness n educate people on Shark Fin Crisis n not to be a part of the Consumer, When the buying STOP, the killing can too. simple as that, What have i done wrong, why you have to step on my turf? my page on facebook n all my post on MUW? for the facts i knew that you had just deleted your post on my page, i have Print screen on it... (Not a threat my friend) but i do very careful when i feel things are not right...

I love to hear good news n facts of what you claim? how many % Shark Fin Soup in Malaysia is fake n real? As i really don't have such data n love to know if it is true...

If anyone from MUW have some facts, i love to hear from you to support my campaign n cause.

Cheers,
Kirk Lee
Founder of Save Our Sharks From A Bowl Of Soup.
www.facebook.com/SharkFinCrisis

kirk, why should i bother to reply? i stated my difficulties and i will say no more of it. you can continue to dig and bad tongue me but at the end, your just firing on a friend in the same cause, not a foe.

nanda, we're all on the same side just with a different approach. substitutes is just temporary action which can save thousands of sharks in a short time while education is long run. but like you said, by the time education is successful, i doubt there will be anymore sharks in the sea for us to see.. except mayb for those not so friendly ones at west australia.. so.. while u are educating, lets give room to substitutes to grow.

just hate those that just doesnt see things clearly and so absent minded in their ways they dont see other ways that can work together.

for instance, if our 3 major races have not put aside their differences and got together, a united front, malaysia would not have achieved its independence. (i know i may have touch on a sensitive topic here- politics, but im just using this for an example. so guys please dont dwell in politics here)

kirk seems to doubt my intensions, thinking of conspiracy in every post i make here.. thinking i have hidden agenda.. so i kept quiet. but now he is provoking and asking for more.. let me answer your questions directly. what do you think will happen if i made public a list of restaurants that are serving fake shark fins? to the restaurants.. although my research is 5 yrs outdated. restaurants will loose more business (sadly, there are more fins lovers than fins haters.. knowing they serve fake ones will b devastating to business).

now, if i follow your way of thinking.. i would say, 'just don't sell shark fins la!'. correct?

the restaurant will loose even more business. so, as a restaurant owner, i would either, go back to selling REAL sharks fin, or tutup kedai. remember, these are business man we're talking about.. if it ain't profitable, it ain't worth the trouble.

ok, say the restaurant stops selling shark fins.. and eventually die off.. so no one will buy fake shark fins from the factory.. so fake shark fin also tutup kedai.

SOOO.. you get MORE sharks being slaughtered to fill the market. and i doubt education is strong enough to deter the industry so, the market is still there.

here's a quote from your earlier post,
" as even if i know Restaurant A serve fake SFS, i would not promote it... so why this will have interest on me? can you tell me?"
why wouldnt this have no interest to you? you would not promote it.. true. but what if you face someone that just wont stop eating shark fin.. what are you going to do? bash him up? get the police to arrest him? the best way, is to continue letting him consume sharks fins.. fake ones. while he is happily eating fake ones, no sharks is hurt. also, from your post, you are only concerned about people similar to you.. people who already dislike the finning of sharks.. who will easily be educated to stop consuming shark fins soup. how about those who are bloody stubborn?

now do you understand what i have been trying to say?

so stop with all these provoking and let us continue to enjoy the sea as it is. substitutes or education, all accomplishing the same goal side by side.

i understand you are VERY offended by my comment of you not doing proper research. perhaps i could have phrased it better. but guess what? the truth hurts. wake up and smell the roses. (even roses has thorns).

some members of this forum caught what i meant below all my sarcasm, and i hope, you will catch my meaning too.

xkirkie · « **Reply #25 on:** March 17, 2011, 01:21:26 AM »

Quote from: reztitan on March 16, 2011, 03:56:23 PM

I support the saving of shark from a bowl of soup. I think what kirk did was fantastic.
Thank you for your support, this will help me to work harder on the cause...

However I do understand what vash trying to say. Using fake shark fin to replace the real one in hoping to lower the killing of sharks. But I not sure it would actually work though. Meaning the rich will still be consuming.
I agree substitute would be 1 of the way to reduce but do it in a right way, tell the truth, if is fake, is fake, FAKE Shark Fin Soup or any fancy name but never "Shark Fin Soup"

The booming economics of china mainland means more people can afford to consume shark fin soup now. To replace this soup 'which once consumed only by the emperor' is seemingly more impossible now than before. Some people just cant be reason with when it comes to food, especially with the newly rich.
Totally agree, when i started this, i didn't expect to be easy, i know in between i'll have people will bump in n say nasty comments.
I know if i cannot stop the world from consuming SFS, at least i do not be a part of it. Trying my best would be ideal n what i should be doing... : )

Individually we can only stop eating shark fin soup from now. Still believing in the old saying, when the buying stop the kill will stop too.
But I think saving the sharks or not, in the end its all down to the governments.
You have your point, i did not sit down, i m going to Mabul this 24-27 March with my wife n Crew from Star Publication to shoot a Short documentary n interviews on Shark Finning/Harvesting in Mabul

*Hey kirk, why not convert your funding from greenpeace to the sea shepherd? I think what they did to the japanese whalers should be replicate in sharks . Enough media converage will create enough world attentions to governments all across the world to ban shark finning.
This trip is on my own expenses, i would be expecting to pay about 1 to 1.5k each me n my wife.(Hope i could have some time Snorkeling as i would not manage to organize any dive... : (
I'm having a PSA to be release supported by Local Celebrities such as Patrick Teoh, Fauziah Latiff, Amber Chia n 9 more celebrities, Sorry i can't review this yet as im approaching main stream media to air the PSA first before i public the link on YOUTUBE... : )

Bubble Ring · « **Reply #26 on:** March 17, 2011, 02:39:04 PM »

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Hey kirk, why not convert your funding from greenpeace to the sea shepherd? I think what they did to the japanese whalers should be replicate in sharks. Enough media converage will create enough world attentions to governments all across the world to ban shark finning.

Hi Reztitan & Kirk,
Reztitan, agree with you! Stop donating to Greenpeace! Instead, channel your donation to Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. Greenpeace is raising substantial funds in their campaign but has not sent a ship down to the Southern Ocean to defend the whales since 2007. Greenpeace is doing nothing! For further reading, please refer to the following articles:

Actions speak louder than words! Please support Sea Shepherd.

MV Gojira: Sea Shepherd's Anti-whale Stealth Vessel

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2010-2011 Antarctic Whale Defence Campaign: Operation No Compromise

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Whale Wars: Season 3 Sneak Peek

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vash_h · « **Reply #27 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:55:51 PM »

guys, please stock to d topic.. Sharks..