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Anyone know of any operator running Reef Check/EcoDiver Qualification programm sometime around May/June 2008?
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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 10:27:18 AM »

Anyone know of any operator running Reef Check/EcoDiver Qualification programm sometime around May/June 2008?


hmm.. i would love to help, but i ve got no idea..
can check with shafi, ridrahim..

paging for mr.ridrahim and ms.shafi!!!

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 10:36:02 AM »

Diveixus..u can try to email julian of reefcheck himself..

Contact details: Julian Hyde, Project Manager, Reef Check Malaysia; 03 2164 5407; malaysia@reefcheck.org

do share here if u have updates yeah..thanks

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 11:45:05 AM »

Diveixus..u can try to email julian of reefcheck himself..

Contact details: Julian Hyde, Project Manager, Reef Check Malaysia; 03 2164 5407; malaysia@reefcheck.org

do share here if u have updates yeah..thanks


Diveixus :

The contact given by Bijan regarding Reef Check Malaysia are correct.

Do call Julian for further info.

Bijan :

Thank you.

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 05:49:02 PM »

Thanks for the info.  Will e-mail to Julian. Any idea how much is the average EcoDiver cert course?

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2007, 11:21:37 PM »

hmm..kinda interesting  :icon_rr:

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 06:35:35 PM »

Hi All - below is the reply from Julian - in case anyone interested.

Reef Check Malaysia works through a small network of dive centres (which we are hoping to grow over the next few months) to deliver EcoDiver training. At the moment, we currently work with:
-          Perhentian: Watercolours Dive Centre
-          Tenggol: ScubaExlorers
-          Tioman: Tioman Dive Centre
-          KL: Scuba Zone.
We are hoping to add a dive centre in Redang this year.

For 2008, we are hoping that each of the dive centres will run 2 or 3 EcoDiver training courses during the year, making the course available to anyone who wants to sign up. We will hopefully have a website running soon which will have details of these (and other) events, but I will also add you to our mailing list for our quarterly Newsletter, which will also have details of programmes.

I hope this is useful, and that we will be able to offer you some training next year. Please don’t hesitate to contact me if you need further details.

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2007, 06:56:13 PM »

DI, can ask Julian if we MUW wanna do EcoDiver training at Redang Macha's place, what are the chargers like..???

Ask him we only need the training and to be master EcoDivers hehehe... accomodation, diving, meal, we set ourselves la...


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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2007, 09:17:57 PM »

If not in Malaysia you also have the options of going to Thailand. I think there are maybe 10 shops around Thailand that can conduct the program.
It is truly an informative and educational experience.
-And the buoyancy-workshop is a lot of fun.   :D :D :D

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2007, 10:51:27 PM »

If not in Malaysia you also have the options of going to Thailand. I think there are maybe 10 shops around Thailand that can conduct the program.
It is truly an informative and educational experience.
-And the buoyancy-workshop is a lot of fun.   :D :D :D


no la, i better to know your own backyard b4 go looking to others hehehe, sure they can accommodate for us.

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2007, 07:02:36 PM »

He he,
I understand the thing with own back yard... -There are something special about knowing more about your own dive-territory than that of others. :angel8:
The program would be the same though (well besides the knowledge of the Course Instructor) in all of asia since this area have certain species used as indicators that would not be used in some other areas.

Not all would be able to handle big groups coming in (not even starting on the accommodation side of things) but a few of the bigger shops running the program should be able to set something like this up. :D

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2007, 12:21:22 AM »

Kinda interested to do this.

Q: To be able to participate for the Ecodiver program, do you have to be an advance diver and above?

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2007, 07:38:08 AM »

Kinda interested to do this.

Q: To be able to participate for the Ecodiver program, do you have to be an advance diver and above?



You don't have to however there's some criteria that you need to have & good at it.

Criteria
1. Diving experience.
2. Air consumption trends.
3. Good buoyancy control, etc...

These are critical in reef surveys.
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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2007, 08:01:02 AM »

Why don't we explore within MUW to see if there is enuf responde to organize a group of our own.  We can approach 1 of the 4 operator to organize it on our own for next year open season.

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2007, 11:18:06 AM »

Why don't we explore within MUW to see if there is enuf responde to organize a group of our own.  We can approach 1 of the 4 operator to organize it on our own for next year open season.


good idea, i think we do..i myself want to take up the course..but $$ not enuff lar at the moment..hehe..

DiveIxus, maybe u can approach one of the dive operators first and only then get the names, since we need to know the suitable number of ppl to take up the course at one time..Thanks

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2007, 11:35:00 AM »

Kinda interested to do this.

Q: To be able to participate for the Ecodiver program, do you have to be an advance diver and above?



You don't have to however there's some criteria that you need to have & good at it.

Criteria
1. Diving experience.
2. Air consumption trends.
3. Good buoyancy control, etc...

These are critical in reef surveys.



If I may follow-up on what my fellow EcoDiver just told you. If you read the report I posted on REEF CHECK - Perhentian Besar, July 2007, you would be able to see that the one key criteria you MUST satisfy would be BUOYANCY. You need to be able to hover close enough to the corals to see, without damaging whatever it is that you are trying to protect in the first place.

Good air consumption trends are also important as you need about an hour to complete the survey. Though you would be surveying in shallow waters anyway (about 5-6m), so it should not be too much of a problem.

The other thing would be to have a good eye for the indicator species. Learn your indicators well so that when you see it underwater, you do not have to spend too much time thinking about it. So pay attention in class!

I am pleased to see that there is growing interest in this field of conservation, so good luck in trying to put a team together. Julian can handle about 6-8 divers at a time. When Rid and I did ours, we paired up and did the substrate ID, while 2 other pairs buddied up and did fish and invert ID respectively. The other two can do photography, so that Reef Check can keep updating their photo library.

If you are Malaysian and dive often in our waters, might as well be a Malaysian EcoDiver. The indicator species you learn elsewhere might differ.

Don't forget to read-up on that report I posted on the other thread. That would give you a good idea of what you'd be experiencing.

Good luck!


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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2007, 12:28:42 PM »

Why don't we explore within MUW to see if there is enuf responde to organize a group of our own.  We can approach 1 of the 4 operator to organize it on our own for next year open season.


good idea la bro! i'm wide open to any suggestions, no problem at all as i've been wanting to do this course for some times alredi

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2007, 11:50:13 PM »

$$$ talk here thats why im asking if they can do a course at the place we suggest.

say like, what if MUW can gather 10 divers for the course, we do it at MACHA place (can get discount maaa). so we only pay reasonable price to MACHA and the course instructor.

Ya, for me, the dive center they list a bit $$$ for me la, like SesameFIN, i oso a bit constrain on the budget.

So DI, can u ask them if they can provide the instructor, MUW will fond the place and divers to do it. For a start we find 10 of the members to take up the course.

so can ask them aaa...???

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2007, 01:48:16 AM »

Kinda interested to do this.

Q: To be able to participate for the Ecodiver program, do you have to be an advance diver and above?



You don't have to however there's some criteria that you need to have & good at it.

Criteria
1. Diving experience.
2. Air consumption trends.
3. Good buoyancy control, etc...

These are critical in reef surveys.



If I may follow-up on what my fellow EcoDiver just told you. If you read the report I posted on REEF CHECK - Perhentian Besar, July 2007, you would be able to see that the one key criteria you MUST satisfy would be BUOYANCY. You need to be able to hover close enough to the corals to see, without damaging whatever it is that you are trying to protect in the first place.

Good air consumption trends are also important as you need about an hour to complete the survey. Though you would be surveying in shallow waters anyway (about 5-6m), so it should not be too much of a problem.

The other thing would be to have a good eye for the indicator species. Learn your indicators well so that when you see it underwater, you do not have to spend too much time thinking about it. So pay attention in class!

I am pleased to see that there is growing interest in this field of conservation, so good luck in trying to put a team together. Julian can handle about 6-8 divers at a time. When Rid and I did ours, we paired up and did the substrate ID, while 2 other pairs buddied up and did fish and invert ID respectively. The other two can do photography, so that Reef Check can keep updating their photo library.

If you are Malaysian and dive often in our waters, might as well be a Malaysian EcoDiver. The indicator species you learn elsewhere might differ.

Don't forget to read-up on that report I posted on the other thread. That would give you a good idea of what you'd be experiencing.

Good luck!



Read the report. Guess i still need to improve my buoyancy still since we have to do inverted diving, i don't want to damage the corals. More dives for me then. Air consumption - OK. Dive experience - OK.  :)

Thanks, shaFin for the very useful info. Appreciate it.  :)

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2007, 03:37:12 PM »

Kinda interested to do this.

Q: To be able to participate for the Ecodiver program, do you have to be an advance diver and above?



You don't have to however there's some criteria that you need to have & good at it.

Criteria
1. Diving experience.
2. Air consumption trends.
3. Good buoyancy control, etc...

These are critical in reef surveys.



If I may follow-up on what my fellow EcoDiver just told you. If you read the report I posted on REEF CHECK - Perhentian Besar, July 2007, you would be able to see that the one key criteria you MUST satisfy would be BUOYANCY. You need to be able to hover close enough to the corals to see, without damaging whatever it is that you are trying to protect in the first place.

Good air consumption trends are also important as you need about an hour to complete the survey. Though you would be surveying in shallow waters anyway (about 5-6m), so it should not be too much of a problem.

The other thing would be to have a good eye for the indicator species. Learn your indicators well so that when you see it underwater, you do not have to spend too much time thinking about it. So pay attention in class!

I am pleased to see that there is growing interest in this field of conservation, so good luck in trying to put a team together. Julian can handle about 6-8 divers at a time. When Rid and I did ours, we paired up and did the substrate ID, while 2 other pairs buddied up and did fish and invert ID respectively. The other two can do photography, so that Reef Check can keep updating their photo library.

If you are Malaysian and dive often in our waters, might as well be a Malaysian EcoDiver. The indicator species you learn elsewhere might differ.

Don't forget to read-up on that report I posted on the other thread. That would give you a good idea of what you'd be experiencing.

Good luck!



Read the report. Guess i still need to improve my buoyancy still since we have to do inverted diving, i don't want to damage the corals. More dives for me then. Air consumption - OK. Dive experience - OK.  :)

Thanks, shaFin for the very useful info. Appreciate it.  :)



I understand that we have some "POOL Session" for MUW member.  Can we not use this avenue to do a preliminary evaluation exercise to see if those of us that wish to do MUW, does infact have good BUOYANCY control.  Maybe other MUWian qualified Ecodivers can be our evaluator.  I think it's important to have trained eye evaluate us, myself for example - I think I'm always right and the best in the world.......obviously the world would disagree. :$

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2007, 10:28:57 PM »

Yes sure why not... whatever you think will help you prepare. RidRahim and I already have the EcoDiver training materials and we do not mind sharing with you. At least when the real trainers work on you guys, it wouldn't be a shock to your system  :)

Let me know when this can happen. Personally, I'll be busy until end November. But I am sure I can be persuaded if we have a few eager bunnies ready to save the world   ;) ;)


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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2007, 01:53:50 PM »

Kawan, who to approach bout this "Cheras Pool" thingie? 

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2007, 12:42:51 PM »

Hi all

Glad there is so much interest developing in Reef Check.

First, I understand that there are budgetary restraints, so we will do what we can to help. What we might be able to do is as suggested, do the buoyancy work and some of the academic stuff (yes, I know, more academics, but you have to know what this stuff looks like before you can count it, right?) here in KL, then you can do the open water training and survey at one of the Reef Check centres. If there are enough of you they might do you a good deal - particularly if it is early or late in the season and things are quiet.

Let me know how you all want to proceed. If you can fix something up in a pool one weekend, we would be glad to come along and get things started.

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2007, 12:56:01 PM »

DI, can ask Julian if we MUW wanna do EcoDiver training at Redang Macha's place, what are the chargers like..???

Ask him we only need the training and to be master EcoDivers hehehe... accomodation, diving, meal, we set ourselves la...



Julian, Bobo had a question for you earlier in this thread, above.
The pool session with Julian's participation sound like a good opportunity. Lemme me do some homework within MUW to see how to set it up. 

Bobo, Harfiez, Santadive, Miezegreat & Bijan - are you guys still tuned in to this thread?

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2007, 01:16:56 PM »

DI, can ask Julian if we MUW wanna do EcoDiver training at Redang Macha's place, what are the chargers like..???

Ask him we only need the training and to be master EcoDivers hehehe... accomodation, diving, meal, we set ourselves la...



Julian, Bobo had a question for you earlier in this thread, above.
The pool session with Julian's participation sound like a good opportunity. Lemme me do some homework within MUW to see how to set it up. 

Bobo, Harfiez, Santadive, Miezegreat & Bijan - are you guys still tuned in to this thread?


Yes, am still interested and it will be good if we have a pool session and to go through the materials as suggested.

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2007, 01:24:54 PM »

Ok we will set one of the days after raya to have a PPB training at Cheras and DI can proceed to invite Julian to be there how bout that..???

And we can discuss further at Nasi Ayam Kampung for our Eco-Diver course, but I still want it to be at Redang... u notice they dont have redang DC yet for Reef Check Centres. MACHA's place would be appropriate for a start. MACHA have been doing the conservation thing alone for the past few years without any help from outsiders.

This is the time we can do something to Redang and start with something within the community.

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2007, 01:28:09 PM »

Hi Julian welcome to the MUW forum, but as a newbies would you like to introduce urself at the introduction thread and we can proceed with the Reef Check discussion, thanks and welcome again.

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2007, 01:35:47 PM »

For a start i would like to have names those who interested in joining the Reef Check for a Eco-Diver Course. Before we can proceed to the course, we shuld have several training session on our buoyancy. I would like to suggest that we have it at Cheras pool.

Ridrahim and Shafi will be our master for the pre-reef check course and evaluator. They will foresee what we have to do b4 we take up the course.

We have lots of DM's (Holeymasta) in MUW and that can help us on the buoyancy training.

We will have the training after raya most probably on Sunday.

I will post the time and date later.

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2007, 04:21:38 PM »

Thanks Bobo for taking over. Glad to have some good hand in charge. :icon_salut:

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Re: REEF CHECK - 2008 2nd Quarter
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2007, 06:30:33 PM »

im not taking over, just wanted to get members to participate, you are spearheading this project, i will assist :)