Author Topic: Baby shark catch by fishermen (Read 1871 times)

ayeed76 · « **on:** September 21, 2007, 02:57:51 PM »

dear all,
i want to share some info..
every week i'll be going back to my wife family house at mersing..as usual i like to spent my tiime with my children to lepak at mersing LKIM jetty (where the fishermen boat will unload thier catch)..i observe those fishermenn does not have any feeling or any concerns..they simply catch those small baby shark..(approx 800grm size)...while im talking with them..normally they said that small baby shark have a demand on the market..anybody in this forum have any exeperienced handle this such cases..i beleive one day we will not see even any one single shark from tioman / mersing sea..

any law can apply to them?..

SOMBRE · « **Reply #1 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:02:13 PM »

Ayeed...this can be a very BIG issue. Those who are responsible is NOT doing anything. All they know is to have BIG BUCKS coming in their pockets.

P.S: Sensitive issue to point finggers.

babyFin · « **Reply #2 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:16:29 PM »

Thanx for bringing this up ayeed..
but wat will they do with those babies? eat it?
do keep us update regarding these issue..

jgshuwei · « **Reply #3 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:25:28 PM »

Quote from: ayeed76 on September 21, 2007, 02:57:51 PM

dear all,
i want to share some info..
every week i'll be going back to my wife family house at mersing..as usual i like to spent my tiime with my children to lepak at mersing LKIM jetty (where the fishermen boat will unload thier catch)..i observe those fishermenn does not have any feeling or any concerns..they simply catch those small baby shark..(approx 800grm size)...while im talking with them..normally they said that small baby shark have a demand on the market..anybody in this forum have any exeperienced handle this such cases..i beleive one day we will not see even any one single shark from tioman / mersing sea..
any law can apply to them?..

live or dead one? If live black tip can get around RM500.

SOMBRE · « **Reply #4 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:27:00 PM »

Maybe...just maybe...someone should take a picture and publish it in the news paper. I've seen some add/srite up (with pictures) about road offenders lah...billboards gestures lah...blah blah blah...maybe we should to do the same.

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #5 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:31:34 PM »

I wonder how many of you actually take time to look at posters. Especially those produced by the Fisheries Development Board (LKIM).

Only the Whale Shark is a protected species. Others fall under commercial fishes. So you can talk all you want. The only thing you can do is to educate people on the effects of shark-fishing.

As for putting things up in the papers, I wrote one lengthy one last year to The Star. It even came out in the Fisheries Department website.

However, knowing that Ministry dinners serve sharks fins soup to the attendees, you will know how virtually futile it is to talk.

So, our only hope is education.

ayeed76 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:32:25 PM »

those i saw once (on the boat)..dead one..
then i track to Mersing pasar..also some untie&uncle sell it....
wat i know they sell and some one buy and deep fried it..
even when i walk around at JB borong market..not only baby shark..
even 1 meters barracudda also hanging there..
to take photo??..erhm we really need some reporter to do that..
anyway i'll do my best to take any photo and the boat registration number..
thanks for your all concerns..but that the actual fact on our fish industries now..

jgshuwei · « **Reply #7 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:34:02 PM »

Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 03:31:34 PM

I wonder how many of you actually take time to look at posters. Especially those produced by the Fisheries Development Board (LKIM).

Only the Whale Shark is a protected species. Others fall under commercial fishes. So you can talk all you want. The only thing you can do is to educate people on the effects of shark-fishing.

As for putting things up in the papers, I wrote one lengthy one last year to The Star. It even came out in the Fisheries Department website.

However, knowing that Ministry dinners serve sharks fins soup to the attendees, you will know how virtually futile it is to talk.

So, our only hope is education.

Yes, only education can help!

SOMBRE · « **Reply #8 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:39:49 PM »

Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 03:31:34 PM

I wonder how many of you actually take time to look at posters. Especially those produced by the Fisheries Development Board (LKIM).

Only the Whale Shark is a protected species. Others fall under commercial fishes. So you can talk all you want. The only thing you can do is to educate people on the effects of shark-fishing.

As for putting things up in the papers, I wrote one lengthy one last year to The Star. It even came out in the Fisheries Department website.

However, knowing that Ministry dinners serve sharks fins soup to the attendees, you will know how virtually futile it is to talk.

So, our only hope is education.

It is true...i agree...but sometimes we just have to show them our concerns. And it doesn't matter if the baby sharks is not a protected species other than the whale shark....(How did the whale shark got preotected?),I'm sure it started out the same thing.

We can't wait until the small baby sharks to extinct than anouce it as protected species. Too late.

Educate...hrmmmm..how to educate?

My suggestion could also include facts to educate the public, but maybe a little bit harsh lah (putting in papers, that is).

ayeed76 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:47:18 PM »

i don't know..if we have some photo / video as evidence..may be we can write a concern letter to LKIM..Nekmat & Persatuan nelayan negeri..in fact if anybody have a good contact with the Minister..or Director..this issue can be debate at parliament..may be some act can be annexed..
or..any divers who arranging any trip to tioman..make one standard flyers where can give to fishermen..
before take boat to tioman ..drop by at LKIM jetty and pass those message to fishermen..but actuall fact not to easy dealling with that group (one of my uncle also fishermen)..thier mentality is tottaly closed..
the campaign of stop shark eating will be effective if can involve with prime media like TV...so far the campaign just spread out among the divers..not to the whole world unless they read those letter as written by our friends on local newspaper..

SOMBRE · « **Reply #10 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:54:37 PM »

Talking about this, I remembered seeing fisherman close to Tekek pulling up net and caught a fairly big Marble Stingray (the dark colour). It is gazetted as Marine Park right, why nothing has been done (looks like nothing have been done to them)?

Oh yes, may i add...restaurants in the islands do also serve "BABY Sharks" for BBQ meal etc. WHat is that all about?

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #11 on:** September 21, 2007, 05:10:35 PM »

Quote from: ayeed76 on September 21, 2007, 03:47:18 PM

i don't know..if we have some photo / video as evidence..may be we can write a concern letter to LKIM..Nekmat & Persatuan nelayan negeri..in fact if anybody have a good contact with the Minister..or Director..this issue can be debate at parliament..may be some act can be annexed..
or..any divers who arranging any trip to tioman..make one standard flyers where can give to fishermen..
before take boat to tioman ..drop by at LKIM jetty and pass those message to fishermen..but actuall fact not to easy dealling with that group (one of my uncle also fishermen)..thier mentality is tottaly closed..
the campaign of stop shark eating will be effective if can involve with prime media like TV...so far the campaign just spread out among the divers..not to the whole world unless they read those letter as written by our friends on local newspaper..

Noble thoughts. Believe me. We have gone beyond that. Nothing works. The only way is to violently protest but I tell you not many will come in support, especially when it affects the livelihood of the fishing community.

Education is still the best answer.

No minister will debate this in the Parliament.

Believe me. Been there done that.

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #12 on:** September 21, 2007, 05:13:58 PM »

Quote from: dikiz.m.s on September 21, 2007, 03:54:37 PM

Talking about this, I remembered seeing fisherman close to Tekek pulling up net and caught a fairly big Marble Stingray (the dark colour). It is gazetted as Marine Park right, why nothing has been done (looks like nothing have been done to them)?

Oh yes, may i add...restaurants in the islands do also serve "BABY Sharks" for BBQ meal etc. WHat is that all about?

Question. When you saw this happening, what did you do about it? Did you report to the relevant authorities?

BBQ Baby Sharks. Like I said. Unless it is the Whale Shark, then others are all available commercially and is not an offence to catch sharks be they babies or 6m Great Whites here in Malaysia.

Before we start protesting, see what is allowed and not allowed or covered or not by the laws and by-laws that cover the fishing industry.

Don't let us be like Red Indians with rifles...firing off into the air just for show.

Let us also recognise the fact that there are members of this forum who spear fish and lobsters from areas within the Marine Parks of this great nation. So for those who were with these culprits, why were you silent? What do we do about those from within our ranks who not only condone, but collaborated both actively and passively when it all happened?

What of those who sell these spearfishing equipment without permit? So what do we do?

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #13 on:** September 21, 2007, 05:19:44 PM »

Quote from: dikiz.m.s on September 21, 2007, 03:39:49 PM

It is true...i agree...but sometimes we just have to show them our concerns. And it doesn't matter if the baby sharks is not a protected species other than the whale shark....(How did the whale shark got preotected?),I'm sure it started out the same thing.

We can't wait until the small baby sharks to extinct than anouce it as protected species. Too late.

Educate...hrmmmm..how to educate?

My suggestion could also include facts to educate the public, but maybe a little bit harsh lah (putting in papers, that is).

No one wants to have a "Save the Marbled Cat Shark" campaign, or, "Save The Bamboo Shark" campaign. It is just not glamorous. The Whale Shark on the other hand is a huge shark that anyone can swim with, making it a "cause celebre." So the Whale Shark is on the universal list of protected species although people know more about the Blacktip Reef shark than the Whale Shark itself.

Everyone knows WWF's logo is the Chinese Panda. Why? It has its own distinction. No one can ever imagine having a Malayan Sun Bear as a WWF logo even when it is more threatened habitat-wise than the Panda itself.

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #14 on:** September 21, 2007, 05:22:49 PM »

This is what I wrote in The Star last year, and this is extracted from the Jabatan Perkhidmatan Haiwan Negeri Perak's (Perak Veterinary Services Department) website:http://www.jphpk.gov.my/English/Jul06%2010c.htm

Educate public on shark conservation
The Star, 10 July 2006

WHILE I applaud the positive step taken by the Tanjung Dawai Fishermen Association to use Information Technology to auction off their catch, “Fish now sold via the Net” (The Star, July 7), I was horrified by the picture of the dead juvenile Hammerhead sharks.

It seems that while the fishermen are into Information Technology, they know very little about shark conservation.

As a scuba diver, I spend hundreds of ringgit just to be able to see at least one of these magnificent creatures.

It breaks my heart to see almost a dozen of them in the clutches of the fish supplier, knowing that hundreds more are caught daily in our waters.

This species is considered to be “near threatened” by the World Conservation Union (IUCN), a global union of states, governmental agencies, and non-governmental organizations in a partnership that assesses the conservation status of species.

I saw several juvenile Black-tip Reef sharks and a Zebra shark being sold at the Pasir Penambang market in Kuala Selangor,

Most sharks are viviparous and have long gestation period, making their cycle of reproduction slow, and mostly give birth to small litters.

Simple mental arithmetic will tell you how soon the numbers will dwindle.

Sharks are normally taken by longlines, gillnets and as by-catch in driftnet fisheries. The Fisheries Department should educate the fishing community to release the ones landed that are still alive.

The relevant authorities and non-governmental organizations, too, should educate the general public on the importance of sharks.

CAPT (RTD) ABDUL RAHMAT OMAR TUN MOHD HANIFF,
Petaling Jaya.

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #15 on:** September 21, 2007, 05:30:56 PM »

RM10 per kg at the Pasir Penambang Market, Kuala Selangor

RM14 per kg at the Pasir Penambang Market, Kuala Selangor

Food for thought...no pun intended.

Ery · « **Reply #16 on:** September 21, 2007, 05:46:55 PM »

omg! thats many mannnn...

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #17 on:** September 21, 2007, 05:49:34 PM »

Exactly, bro. And the center ones are the Baby Sharks used for BBQ.

Ery · « **Reply #18 on:** September 21, 2007, 05:55:31 PM »

Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 05:49:34 PM

Exactly, bro. And the center ones are the Baby Sharks used for BBQ.

are they allowed to sale it at the market bro?

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2007, 06:05:40 PM »

Quote from: ery azahari on September 21, 2007, 05:55:31 PM

Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 05:49:34 PM
Exactly, bro. And the center ones are the Baby Sharks used for BBQ.

are they allowed to sale it at the market bro?

Yes. All sharks but the Whale Sharks are not protected and categorised as commercial fishes.

babyFin · « **Reply #20 on:** September 21, 2007, 06:18:25 PM »

wallaao..no wonder its hard for us divers to bump in wit them underwater.. kesiannya nya baby2 ni.. *pity all these babies..* wats wrong wit them la, got no other fish to eat meh???

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2007, 06:32:27 PM »

Quote from: babyFin on September 21, 2007, 06:18:25 PM

wallaao..no wonder its hard for us divers to bump in wit them underwater.. kesiannya nya baby2 ni.. *pity all these babies..* wats wrong wit them la, got no other fish to eat meh???

When the demand stops, the killing will too.

babyFin · « **Reply #22 on:** September 21, 2007, 06:39:55 PM »

Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 06:32:27 PM

Quote from: babyFin on September 21, 2007, 06:18:25 PM
wallaao..no wonder its hard for us divers to bump in wit them underwater.. kesiannya nya baby2 ni.. *pity all these babies..* wats wrong wit them la, got no other fish to eat meh???

When the demand stops, the killing will too.

that is why..look at me, i didnt consume ANY fish.. tee hee hee..
if everybody likeme, i guess all the fishes will be happily ever after..

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #23 on:** September 21, 2007, 07:56:27 PM »

Quote from: babyFin on September 21, 2007, 06:39:55 PM

Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 06:32:27 PM
Quote from: babyFin on September 21, 2007, 06:18:25 PM
wallaao..no wonder its hard for us divers to bump in wit them underwater.. kesiannya nya baby2 ni.. *pity all these babies..* wats wrong wit them la, got no other fish to eat meh???

When the demand stops, the killing will too.

that is why..look at me, i didnt consume ANY fish.. tee hee hee..
if everybody likeme, i guess all the fishes will be happily ever after..

Thank God for that. At least there is more fish in the market for me to consume

babyFin · « **Reply #24 on:** September 21, 2007, 08:00:38 PM »

Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 07:56:27 PM

Quote from: babyFin on September 21, 2007, 06:39:55 PM
Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 06:32:27 PM
Quote from: babyFin on September 21, 2007, 06:18:25 PM
wallaao..no wonder its hard for us divers to bump in wit them underwater.. kesiannya nya baby2 ni.. *pity all these babies..* wats wrong wit them la, got no other fish to eat meh???

When the demand stops, the killing will too.

that is why..look at me, i didnt consume ANY fish.. tee hee hee..
if everybody likeme, i guess all the fishes will be happily ever after..

Thank God for that. At least there is more fish in the market for me to consume

very comel of u la SD..

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #25 on:** September 21, 2007, 08:06:31 PM »

Which brings me to my previous point in page #1 of this topic:

Let us also recognise the fact that there are members of this forum who spear fish and lobsters from areas within the Marine Parks of this great nation. So for those who were with these culprits, why were you silent? What do we do about those from within our ranks who not only condone, but collaborated both actively and passively when it all happened?

What of those who sell these spearfishing equipment without permit? So what do we do?

Snafu · « **Reply #26 on:** September 21, 2007, 09:39:00 PM »

Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 08:06:31 PM

Which brings me to my previous point in page #1 of this topic:

Let us also recognise the fact that there are members of this forum who spear fish and lobsters from areas within the Marine Parks of this great nation. So for those who were with these culprits, why were you silent? What do we do about those from within our ranks who not only condone, but collaborated both actively and passively when it all happened?

What of those who sell these spearfishing equipment without permit? So what do we do?

Agree 100% on this

trigger fish · « **Reply #27 on:** September 21, 2007, 09:39:42 PM »

Good write up bro

You are the man fookinfin

babyFin · « **Reply #28 on:** September 21, 2007, 11:46:33 PM »

Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 08:06:31 PM

Which brings me to my previous point in page #1 of this topic:

Let us also recognise the fact that there are members of this forum who spear fish and lobsters from areas within the Marine Parks of this great nation. So for those who were with these culprits, why were you silent? What do we do about those from within our ranks who not only condone, but collaborated both actively and passively when it all happened?

What of those who sell these spearfishing equipment without permit? So what do we do?

Strongly agreed with u you're the man lah!
Im standing behind you.. (but slightly to the right la..in order to let ppl see me)..

Ery · « **Reply #29 on:** September 22, 2007, 12:00:54 AM »

Quote from: FooKinFIN on September 21, 2007, 08:06:31 PM

Which brings me to my previous point in page #1 of this topic:

Let us also recognise the fact that there are members of this forum who spear fish and lobsters from areas within the Marine Parks of this great nation. So for those who were with these culprits, why were you silent? What do we do about those from within our ranks who not only condone, but collaborated both actively and passively when it all happened?

What of those who sell these spearfishing equipment without permit? So what do we do?

very wise said bro. totally agree with you. We have to remind on each other should we witness such activities happening within our concern. cheers bro!