Author Topic: A list of "sick" and damaging pratices (Read 3742 times)

nanda666 · « **on:** July 07, 2008, 10:04:32 AM »

Can you guys add onto this list of all the stuff that is just "sick" and damaging that is out there? I mean, it would be good to have 1 long list that we can all try to fix either individually or as a whole:

1. Consumption of shark fins.
2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs.
3. Consumption of seahorses.
4. Consumption of endangered fishes. (Napoleans, etc)
5. Whale hunting.
6. Cyanide fishing.
7. Bomb fishing.
8.
9.
10.

We can then look at various groups and assist accordingly in some sort of systematic manner.....I hope..

reen · « **Reply #1 on:** July 07, 2008, 11:00:12 AM »

8. Throwing rubbish, tins, bottles near the beach/shore after partying all night

nanda666 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 07, 2008, 11:23:56 AM »

Quote from: nanda666 on July 07, 2008, 10:04:32 AM

Can you guys add onto this list of all the stuff that is just "sick" and damaging that is out there? I mean, it would be good to have 1 long list that we can all try to fix either individually or as a whole:

1. Consumption of shark fins.
2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs.
3. Consumption of seahorses.
4. Consumption of endangered fishes. (Napoleans, etc)
5. Whale hunting.
6. Cyanide fishing.
7. Bomb fishing.
8. Marine pollution from Garbage, Sewage and waste water. (thanks, reen!)
9.
10.

We can then look at various groups and assist accordingly in some sort of systematic manner.....I hope..

Bobo® · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2008, 02:17:47 PM »

Can you guys add onto this list of all the stuff that is just "sick" and damaging that is out there? I mean, it would be good to have 1 long list that we can all try to fix either individually or as a whole:

1. Consumption of shark fins.
2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs.
3. Consumption of seahorses.
4. Consumption of endangered fishes. (Napoleans, etc)
5. Whale hunting.
6. Cyanide fishing.
7. Bomb fishing.
8. Marine pollution from Garbage, Sewage and waste water. (thanks, reen!)
9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la
10.

We can then look at various groups and assist accordingly in some sort of systematic manner.....I hope..

huisen · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2008, 02:28:27 PM »

Good thread. Gives me room to rant.

I thought it was a good point by reen, adding to what nanda666 already included. Getting specific, what I'm thinking of is $%^&*!! who throw stuff casually overboard. Idiot passengers on ferries and transfer boats. We've all seen it. Plastic bags, wrappers, plastic bottles, cigarette butts and other small items.

Hell, I'd like to throw them overboard.

I believe turtles choke to death on plastic bags when they mistake them for jellyfish. I'm about sure mola mola also eat jellyfish. Come to think of it, throwing any waste in any water. Whether it's a stream, river, pond, lake, sea, etc. Whatever. It shouldn't happen. It's a beautiful day, just had a great dive and on the boat on way back you pass floating empty mineral water bottles.

And I pretty much thought that the only thing worse than someone throwing cigarette butts into the sea is a diver who throws cigarette butts into the sea.

I have a question though. Is anyone monitoring the explosion of holiday resorts by the sea? Is anyone doing damage reports before the construction begins? What about erosion, runoffs, pollution at these resorts? During construction and after its open. Resorts are businesses. The ultimate objective of any business is to make money.

Aah.... I think I shuttup now.

nanda666 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2008, 03:20:29 PM »

Sorry if the image is not too good but this is my buddy (An expat who has been working here with PETRONAS for some time now) who got a garbage bag and walked along the beach picking up garbage during his surface interval in Tioman!!!

Can you believe it that he said everyone on the beach watched but NOT ONE person came to assist or even ask if he needed help!!!!

I think it's a good idea if we all include beach clean ups during our surface interval....

It's simple and we don't need the organisers or anyone but ourselves. (It will also create an awareness for the people generating the garbage!!!)

Get a garbage bag and start picking!!!

Get your fellow divers to help...helll....get anyone around you to help!!!!

If we all do this on every dive trip, and all the divers did it..... can you imagine??????

As they say, "A small step for man, a giant step for mankind!!!"

huisen · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2008, 03:55:05 PM »

Every little bit helps. Doesn't have to be much. On trips, I usually walk on the beach first thing in the morning when I get up. I collect and throw small stuff that had washed up. Polystyrene containers and plastic bottles mostly. I don't actually take my walks to throw other peoples' (@#$%^&*) garbage. It's just there on the beach when I'm having a stroll and it's so ugly I don't leave it there.

I think it's an absolute shame that not only did no one go offer nanda666's buddy some help but we're all content to watch someone from another country cleaning up our mess. For shame!

w_knight · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2008, 09:29:08 PM »

hi nanda666,

Very good said ... and everybody should do the same n start from myself ..(not stand n watch) ..but to do some cleaning during surface interval .. i believed if we start doing it .. and those who stand n watch .. will eventual start following .. maybe just go over there and hand over extra garbage bag to them ..

thanks for the idea ...

evelynwg85 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2008, 04:22:51 PM »

Direct waste water, sewage system into the sea....without filtered or processed from resorts or housing area etc...

FireDragon · « **Reply #9 on:** July 08, 2008, 07:29:30 PM »

I think all of us should follow nanda666's buddy's example and do this everytime we go diving. Maybe we can create an awareness and more people will follow suite.

fishcake · « **Reply #10 on:** July 08, 2008, 11:34:21 PM »

Quote from: DiveTenggara Adventure® on July 07, 2008, 02:17:47 PM

Can you guys add onto this list of all the stuff that is just "sick" and damaging that is out there? I mean, it would be good to have 1 long list that we can all try to fix either individually or as a whole:

1. Consumption of shark fins.
2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs.
3. Consumption of seahorses.
4. Consumption of endangered fishes. (Napoleans, etc)
5. Whale hunting.
6. Cyanide fishing.
7. Bomb fishing.
8. Marine pollution from Garbage, Sewage and waste water. (thanks, reen!)
9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la
10. dolphin hunting

We can then look at various groups and assist accordingly in some sort of systematic manner.....I hope..

John F SeaDemon · « **Reply #11 on:** July 09, 2008, 01:37:47 PM »

Can you guys add onto this list of all the stuff that is just "sick" and damaging that is out there? I mean, it would be good to have 1 long list that we can all try to fix either individually or as a whole:

1. Consumption of shark fins.
2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs.
3. Consumption of seahorses.
4. Consumption of endangered fishes. (Napoleans, etc)
5. Whale hunting.
6. Cyanide fishing.
7. Bomb fishing.
8. Marine pollution from Garbage, Sewage and waste water. (thanks, reen!)
9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la
10. dolphin hunting
11. direct dumping of chlorinated pool water into the sea by resorts

We can then look at various groups and assist accordingly in some sort of systematic manner.....I hope..

I should carry a black rubbish bag with me during SIT and pick up rubbish too...

Bagman · « **Reply #12 on:** July 09, 2008, 01:50:54 PM »

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Can you guys add onto this list of all the stuff that is just "sick" and damaging that is out there? I mean, it would be good to have 1 long list that we can all try to fix either individually or as a whole:

1. Consumption of shark fins.
2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs.
3. Consumption of seahorses.
4. Consumption of endangered fishes. (Napoleans, etc)
5. Whale hunting.
6. Cyanide fishing.
7. Bomb fishing.
8. Marine pollution from Garbage, Sewage and waste water. (thanks, reen!)
9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la
10. dolphin hunting
11. direct dumping of chlorinated pool water into the sea by resorts
12. Long line fishing

AdRiaN cHuA · « **Reply #13 on:** July 09, 2008, 03:24:56 PM »

Trawler fishing boat should be prohibited, their net sweep the sea floor bring up everything beneath the sand or mud and damage the seabed.

I came accross once, when I out sea and saw a trawler boat just finish trolling and i took a speed boat to see what they cought....make me so sad....kerapu 2 -3 finger and all kind of small small sea creature take shelter beneath the mud also bring up by them...so sad

, but what can I do...burn their boat or throw them into sea??????

nanda666 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 09, 2008, 04:05:50 PM »

Quote

Can you guys add onto this list of all the stuff that is just "sick" and damaging that is out there? I mean, it would be good to have 1 long list that we can all try to fix either individually or as a whole:

1. Consumption of shark fins.
2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs.
3. Consumption of seahorses.
4. Consumption of endangered fishes. (Napoleans, etc)
5. Whale hunting.
6. Cyanide fishing.
7. Bomb fishing.
8. Marine pollution from Garbage, Sewage and waste water. (thanks, reen!)
9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la
10. dolphin hunting
11. direct dumping of chlorinated pool water into the sea by resorts
12. Long line fishing
13. Trawler fishing

I think we can now put down how we can help:

1. Consumption of shark fins. - ALL MUWians stop and spread the word!!!The T-shirt is cool too!!

2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs. - Join the team SEATRU at UM Terengganu and also refer to thread "What you can do to help turtles" (http://malaysianunderwater.com/smff/index.php/topic,4071.0.html)

9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la - I think we all agree to start by picking garbage during surface interval and during the beach "lepak" time...sound good!!

Guys and gals with info on how to help the other issues...pls put them up....pls pls

fishcake · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2008, 04:44:16 PM »

Quote from: nanda666 on July 09, 2008, 04:05:50 PM

Quote
Can you guys add onto this list of all the stuff that is just "sick" and damaging that is out there? I mean, it would be good to have 1 long list that we can all try to fix either individually or as a whole:

1. Consumption of shark fins.
2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs.
3. Consumption of seahorses.
4. Consumption of endangered fishes. (Napoleans, etc)
5. Whale hunting.
6. Cyanide fishing.
7. Bomb fishing.
8. Marine pollution from Garbage, Sewage and waste water. (thanks, reen!)
9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la
10. dolphin hunting
11. direct dumping of chlorinated pool water into the sea by resorts
12. Long line fishing
13. Trawler fishing
14. Resorts building golf courses on islands that no one uses (tioman- fertilisers, dissolves in rainwater, drains into sea, algae grow, blocks sunlight, marine organisms die out)

I think we can now put down how we can help:

1. Consumption of shark fins. - ALL MUWians stop and spread the word!!!The T-shirt is cool too!!

2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs. - Join the team SEATRU at UM Terengganu and also refer to thread "What you can do to help turtles" (http://malaysianunderwater.com/smff/index.php/topic,4071.0.html)

9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la - I think we all agree to start by picking garbage during surface interval and during the beach "lepak" time...sound good!!

Guys and gals with info on how to help the other issues...pls put them up....pls pls

shafi · « **Reply #16 on:** July 16, 2008, 09:54:14 PM »

Excellent work, guys...

Can I add No fish-feeding?...With bread, biscuits, peanuts and everything else? It messes up the ecosystem and the fishes' guts...

Lets hope our eco-friendly behaviour (just like that of Nanda's and his buddies) are contagious!

Go get the momentum going...

shafi · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2008, 10:09:42 PM »

Quote from: huisen on July 07, 2008, 02:28:27 PM

I have a question though. Is anyone monitoring the explosion of holiday resorts by the sea? Is anyone doing damage reports before the construction begins? What about erosion, runoffs, pollution at these resorts? During construction and after its open. Resorts are businesses. The ultimate objective of any business is to make money.

Good points raised, huisen. We know who should be monitoring, we know who should be enforcing the laws and regulations that have been put in place to manage the very matters you have raised.

But yet again...

Hence why i believe Corporate Responsibility needs to be well-understood and quickly made into reality... Once businesses become more aware that what they are doing is basically going to impact their bottom-line in the long run, and once they can accept their responsibilities as corporate citizens, reducing the negative impacts on the environment and monitoring those impacts should be internalised into their day-to-day operations and management.

Very self-regulating, so so good

nanda666 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2008, 10:00:40 AM »

1. Consumption of shark fins.
2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs.
3. Consumption of seahorses.
4. Consumption of endangered fishes. (Napoleans, etc)
5. Whale hunting.
6. Cyanide fishing
7. Bomb fishing..

8. Marine pollution from Garbage, Sewage and waste water. (thanks, reen!)
9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la
10. dolphin hunting
11. direct dumping of chlorinated pool water into the sea by resorts
12. Long line fishing
13. Trawler fishing
14. Resorts building golf courses on islands that no one uses (tioman- fertilisers, dissolves in rainwater, drains into sea, algae grow, blocks sunlight, marine organisms die out)

I think we can now put down how we can help:

1. Consumption of shark fins. - ALL MUWians stop and spread the word!!!The T-shirt is cool too!!

2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs. - Join the team SEATRU at UM Terengganu and also refer to thread "What you can do to help turtles" (http://malaysianunderwater.com/smff/index.php/topic,4071.0.html)

9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la - I think we all agree to start by picking garbage during surface interval and during the beach "lepak" time...sound good!!

Guys and gals with info on how to help the other issues...pls put them up....pls pls

Anyone with ideas or existing ways to help item 5,6,7, 10,12, 13 ??? They are all to do with fishing.

wilhurricane · « **Reply #19 on:** July 17, 2008, 02:26:27 PM »

Set good fishing Quota to every single boat (private or commercial fishing boat), Marine Officer should do check up on every boats than coming in port area instead of doing hanky panky stuffs in the office and maybe setup road block near fishing area to do check up, stop taking under table money, put really high fine and jail sentence to those who break the laws...

nanda666 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 17, 2008, 03:26:30 PM »

I was looking at more of what we, as divers, could do...

Any number to call if we see these vessels?

Any way to NOT consume fish caught by bomb, cyanide and trawling type fishing? (They do have "dolphin free tuna" in Europe, so something similar?)

Active or passive protest groups to join?

fishcake · « **Reply #21 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:43:37 AM »

no stupid marinas in point less places, stop reclaiming land, boats with oil leaks, dumping of nuclear waste into the sea... (don't test nuclear bombs anymore)

dolphin/whale hunting- http://www.bluevoice.org/about.shtml, www.iwcoffice.org not sure it'll be useful.

shafi · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2008, 04:47:15 PM »

Quote from: nanda666 on July 17, 2008, 10:00:40 AM

1. Consumption of shark fins.
2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs.
3. Consumption of seahorses.
4. Consumption of endangered fishes. (Napoleans, etc)
5. Whale hunting.
6. Cyanide fishing
7. Bomb fishing..

8. Marine pollution from Garbage, Sewage and waste water. (thanks, reen!)
9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la
10. dolphin hunting
11. direct dumping of chlorinated pool water into the sea by resorts
12. Long line fishing
13. Trawler fishing
14. Resorts building golf courses on islands that no one uses (tioman- fertilisers, dissolves in rainwater, drains into sea, algae grow, blocks sunlight, marine organisms die out)

I think we can now put down how we can help:

1. Consumption of shark fins. - ALL MUWians stop and spread the word!!!The T-shirt is cool too!!

2. Consumption of turtles and turtle eggs. - Join the team SEATRU at UM Terengganu and also refer to thread "What you can do to help turtles" (http://malaysianunderwater.com/smff/index.php/topic,4071.0.html)

9. Cigarette butt, rubbish including small portion of rubbish throwing into the sea, land anywhere la - I think we all agree to start by picking garbage during surface interval and during the beach "lepak" time...sound good!!

Guys and gals with info on how to help the other issues...pls put them up....pls pls

Anyone with ideas or existing ways to help item 5,6,7, 10,12, 13 ??? They are all to do with fishing.

Bro, you still haven't included "No Fish-Feeding"...

Okay so we have a list of bad practices - can we turn it into a Eco Policy which MUW can endorse? Something I can forward to the Moderators/Admin to consider?

Monitoring & evaluation of the effectiveness of the Policy can be a toughie, since we are not at liberty to invoke penalties towards MUWians that breach the codes outlined by the Policy..

But is it worth a try and every MUW member can play its role in observing the activities of other members and advise them accordingly...

At least we have a simple MUW guideline or code of coduct that is realistic... we can have this printed and put up at dive shops/dive centers/resorts that support MUW

A bottom-up approach in developing a policy for environmentally responsible divers... by divers for divers...

Something closer and easier to implement - like the picking-up rubbish one, no fish-feeding one, no throwing ciggies in the sea one, no spear-fishing one, etc...

Waddaya think?

MACHA · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2008, 10:55:17 PM »

Quote from: shafi on July 16, 2008, 09:54:14 PM

Excellent work, guys...

Can I add No fish-feeding?...With bread, biscuits, peanuts and everything else? It messes up the ecosystem and the fishes' guts...

Lets hope our eco-friendly behaviour (just like that of Nanda's and his buddies) are contagious!

Go get the momentum going...

Dey fella's can i add : How bout allowing 500 pax ( sometimes more ) so called "snorkellers" at a shallow ( 3meters depth ) snorkelling site every 3pm, 1 & 1/2 hours a day , 7 days a week , 4 weeks in a month for 7-8 months in a year! so How?
my 1 cent la dey! ;)

stupidhead · « **Reply #24 on:** July 31, 2008, 10:02:05 AM »

dive resorts and lobs dumping raw sewage into the sea. no?

nanda666 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 31, 2008, 12:19:38 PM »

Quote from: shafi on July 30, 2008, 04:47:15 PM

Bro, you still haven't included "No Fish-Feeding"...

Okay so we have a list of bad practices - can we turn it into a Eco Policy which MUW can endorse? Something I can forward to the Moderators/Admin to consider?

Monitoring & evaluation of the effectiveness of the Policy can be a toughie, since we are not at liberty to invoke penalties towards MUWians that breach the codes outlined by the Policy..

But is it worth a try and every MUW member can play its role in observing the activities of other members and advise them accordingly...

At least we have a simple MUW guideline or code of coduct that is realistic... we can have this printed and put up at dive shops/dive centers/resorts that support MUW

A bottom-up approach in developing a policy for environmentally responsible divers... by divers for divers...

Something closer and easier to implement - like the picking-up rubbish one, no fish-feeding one, no throwing ciggies in the sea one, no spear-fishing one, etc...

Waddaya think?

I think that's Brilliant!!! (Now why didn't I think of that????

)

I'll try to make a sort of draft poster and let you guys have a look, o.k.....but hey....the guys who make all the design stuff in MUW are pretty good so I guess they should try a sample too??

In fact, anyone who's any good at poster design with all the points raised should put it up here...like a contest???

Mephisto the Heretic · « **Reply #26 on:** July 31, 2008, 12:22:56 PM »

I would suggest we divers should start diving using sail boats. Just imagine all the pollution those twin 200,250 hp engines are putting out.
Green house gases man...bad karma...global warming...dont want those dive centers in the east coast under 2m of water in 15 years time...and people in Klang also.

Remember this the next time you are diving and sucking the exaust fumes of your dive boats.

PS: dont take me seriously.

tulip · « **Reply #27 on:** July 31, 2008, 12:26:24 PM »

Quote from: MACHA on July 30, 2008, 10:55:17 PM

Quote from: shafi on July 16, 2008, 09:54:14 PM
Excellent work, guys...

Can I add No fish-feeding?...With bread, biscuits, peanuts and everything else? It messes up the ecosystem and the fishes' guts...

Lets hope our eco-friendly behaviour (just like that of Nanda's and his buddies) are contagious!

Go get the momentum going...

Dey fella's can i add : How bout allowing 500 pax ( sometimes more ) so called "snorkellers" at a shallow ( 3meters depth ) snorkelling site every 3pm, 1 & 1/2 hours a day , 7 days a week , 4 weeks in a month for 7-8 months in a year! so How?
my 1 cent la dey! ;)

i think i was in those boats years ago

nanda666 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 31, 2008, 01:38:50 PM »

I put this together with my limited computer skills. I think you have to click on the image to see a bigger version (God knows how long it took me to post it...AARRGGHH!!)

If somebody can put it together better...pls pls do!!!

shafi · « **Reply #29 on:** July 31, 2008, 02:15:44 PM »

Very cute!!!

Okay - i'll work on this 'Policy' sometime tonight... the design bits can wait... lets focus on the meaty bits...

Dont forget we also need a simple mechanism to check how this Policy is working on the ground... so a mechanism on constructive feedback would be useful...